A functioning police state needs no police. – William Burroughs
One year ago today I published “Something Rotten in Sweden”, which explored the way in which “Swedish Model” rhetoric is increasingly being employed in American police departments to disguise their war on women’s sexual autonomy by concentrating on “busting as many men as possible so as to scare the rest and decimate prostitutes’ business, thereby forcing many of those without an established client base out of the profession without having to arrest a single one and thereby demonstrating their outrageous sexism.” As we have seen, the practice doesn’t work any more than the “War on Drugs” does, and for the same reason: it’s impossible to stop people from engaging in mutually-satisfactory private arrangements. It does, however, give the government an excuse to harass and terrorize innocent men and to infantilize women, thus setting the precedents necessary to eventually revoke all the gains we’ve made in the past century.
The easiest way to predict the effects any proposed law might have is to examine another country which has already implemented such legislation; the best example for our purposes is Iceland, which implemented the “Swedish Model” later but much more broadly. Also, it has no less-oppressive neighbors to which men can travel for commercial sex, and its small population has allowed the course of the Swedish Disease to progress with frightening rapidity. As I stated in my column of February 4th,
Iceland infantilizes its female citizens to an even greater degree than Norway and Sweden do, and in the pretense that prostitution and stripping are the selling of women themselves rather than services they freely choose to provide, Iceland essentially declares that women (except for lesbian politicians, of course) have no value other than their sexual characteristics…and so sale of those characteristics is seen as sale of the entire woman (since she has nothing else of value to offer). And because the government of Iceland is unwilling to cede control over women to anyone (including the women themselves), any activities which offend the sensibilities of the rulers must be prohibited, even if it results in their country having almost twice the rape rate of any other country in Europe.
But to Reykjavík’s chagrin, a group of misandrist vigilantes is now using the law to attack men the government wasn’t really interested in prosecuting, as reported in this October 19th article from Iceland Review called to my attention by Deep Geek:
A new underground movement called “Stóra systir” (“Big Sister”) has handed over a list to the Reykjavík Metropolitan Police containing 56 names, 117 telephone numbers and 29 emails of men who expressed interest in purchasing the services of prostitutes through…websites…and classified ads…The movement made its intention known, that Icelandic legislation on prostitution and human trafficking are followed (where the buyer of prostitution but not the prostitute can be prosecuted), at a press conference at Idnó in Reykjavík yesterday where its spokespersons wore cloaks, hoods and masks to remain anonymous…The Big Sisters said the list is the result of three weeks of investigative work. They decided to take matters into their own hands after police authorities claimed they neither had the funds nor the manpower to fight prostitution which they conclude is clearly thriving in Iceland in spite of it being illegal…“We advertised [online] and in the massage columns of the papers and in the beginning it was just to check the reaction,” one spokesperson said…One night a few of the movement’s members all…asked their respondents to meet them outside an ATM…They were supposed to identify themselves by carrying a [newspaper]…
The Big Sisters say that even though the buyers of prostitution try to hide their identities their computer skills vary and it is usually easy to find out who they are. “We are good at what we do and we have assistants, for example women who have been involved in prostitution,” they said, explaining that they teach them the industry’s lingo. At the press conference a few conversations between the movement’s members and buyers of prostitutions [sic] were played. One was between a 48-year-old man and a woman whom he took to be 15, which made him all the more interested in buying her services. The movement is demanding various actions, first and foremost that laws are complied with, but also shutting down [websites]…porn clubs…and…ads for prostitution in the media in all forms be stopped. No one is safe now, Big Sister is everywhere, one spokesperson warned.
Behold what lies at the bottom of the slippery slope. When consensual adult behavior is criminalized and civil rights suspended, other rights inevitably follow. When the men of Iceland ceded control over their sexuality (and that of women) to lesbian neofeminists, they handed them a weapon which, predictably, they are now employing in furtherance of their own twisted personal vendetta against the male population. Prostitution and stripping are already illegal, and it seems that porn will be next, followed by censorship of print media and the internet. I don’t know if the neuter gender of the pronoun in the last sentence was intentional or just a Freudian slip, but it’s the absolute truth; thanks to the predictable results of these evil laws, no one in Iceland is safe now.
I can’t wrap my head around the idea that stripping is illegal. As absurd as it is to criminalize prostitution…STRIPPING?!?
Do they censor all titties out of film? What is too much cleavage? What about men, if a male ass is seen, is that an issue…let alone a (whispers) penis?
Absolute insanity.
>“busting as many men as possible so as to scare the rest and decimate prostitutes’ business, thereby forcing many of those without an established client base out of the profession without having to arrest a single one and thereby demonstrating their outrageous sexism.”
OH yeah. I would have been so much better off had these busy bodies destroyed my business and left me broke. And having years of sex work, and an arrest record on your CV and CRB is just so impressive to employers. Thanks for protecting me, it’s so much better sleeping in alleys than the life I had before..
Stupid gits.
Nice variation of the Icelandic Burka up there.
One thing you might be interested in is that Iceland is also thinking about banning the sale of cigarettes “except on prescription” from the Doctor.
Damn the Icelandic police must be bored.
I wonder how crap like this factors into UN top 10 most livable countries (2007) calculations?
Iceland is #1 or 2 pretty much every year. I wonder if this will start dropping them… OR if “we arrest people for stupid shit” counts in their favour. Hmm…
I too have been wondering about that as well.
It seems that over here in the UK Iceland is fast becoming the darling of Fems with strict anti-porn anti-sex work beliefs. “Iceland banned strip clubs and Icelandic society hasn’t fallen to pieces! Why can’t the Patriarchal UK government do the same!!?”
I can only hope that the more Iceland leans towards an authoritarian style of government that it might snap a few people back into reality. I’m not holding my breath though.
Also the UN can hardly be relied upon to put their pants on properly.
I wonder what Bjork thinks of all this?
Its ironic that Big Brother wants to be busybodies all the time when it comes to everyone’s sex lives. I’m sure many many politicians, police officers, military officials,etc see call girls in their downtime, so why is it necessary for them to act this way.
Obviously a big reason is because they want to look like they are doing something…but is there another reason
Btw the woman in the pic is kind of hot 🙂
Do the cops in the US use the internet in this manner to trap Johns?
I know the FBI is ALL OVER the internet trying to catch pedophiles and kiddie porn folks. I’ve actually spoken to a woman who worked in that unit and she told me that she poses as an underage girl in chat rooms to lure pedophiles out into the open.
But I didn’t think they were using the internet to catch “Johns” who were just looking for legal-aged escorts and what not.
Frankly – I can’t say that I have a lot of sympathy for a 48 year old man pursuing (what he thinks is) a 15 year old girl. I have two daughters myself, and one is still living in the house with me and she’s eleven. But I’ll tell you – any 48 year old that tries to make a swing on her until the day she leaves my house will deal with me personally or deal with the cops (and they’d MUCH rather deal with the cops).
Look Maggie – I don’t condone these police actions at all (they scare the bejesus out of me) … but we can’t cover for these warped guys either. There’s got to be a balance here. A guy in his 40’s who pursues a 15 year old is not wired right. That’s not a trait of the male predatory sexual nature – and I should know.
Please don’t tell me you’re actually taking these monsters’ word for it? We know absolutely NOTHING about the conversation, the way the supposed “teenager” presented herself, her apparent maturity level or whether he sincerely believed she was 15.
Furthermore, I call bullshit on the idea that there’s something “wrong” with an older man being attracted to a nubile young woman; a guy in his 40s who finds a 15-year-old attractive is “wired” exactly as Nature intended, and through most of human history that’s when girls got married. The designation of a 15-year-old as a “child” is a legal one, not a natural one, and I can assure you that my 15-year-old self could have seduced nearly any 40-something man I had wanted to, unless he knew my real age and was concerned about the legal consequences. But that is a social and legal concern, not a moral or biological one. There’s nothing “unnatural” or “perverted” about a man being attracted to a beautiful young woman, and once the current “pedonoia” is over people will be able to admit that aloud again.
>and I can assure you that my 15-year-old self could have seduced nearly any 40-something man I had wanted to, unless he knew my real age and was concerned about the legal consequences.
Spot on. I was able to get a job serving drinks before I was 17, and no one questioned that.
Look, one thing I do know is that cops lie when making vice arrests. They lie big time. They mostly have to, to make their case, plus, they like where it gets them.
Most whores know not to make it easy. So the cops have to up their game. Few working girls are going to flat offer a sex act for money. So the cops have to lie and say they did.
My last time busted, the cop asked if I “spoke French”. I do, some. I answered him back in french that I did, and did he? He replied “Huh?” He asked what speaking French was. I told him it was a language, commonly spoken by people in France or former colonies of.
But he lied and said I offered him oral sex for money.
That’s how these guys operate. They lie. (After the bust, it can get even uglier. They do other things, too, the rotten shites.)
So I’ve no doubt that to make it easier, the cops like about the men they target.
Maggie – the story says that some conversations were played – and one of those was between a 48 year old man and a female he thought was 15 years old. I know the press doesn’t always print the truth – but this would have been a pretty specific and pretty public “lie” if it weren’t.
I’ll be 50 next year. In spite of that, my doc just measured my hormone levels a few months ago and they are higher than a 17 year old male’s – and I can vouch that my drive is just as high it’s always been and probably higher than most men. Virtually every woman I meet I look at in “that way”.
But I’m not attracted to 15 year old girls. Do I notice and marvel at certain anatomical parts on them? Sure. But I don’t even entertain the slightest thought of “doing” anything with them. Am I “abnormal”? LOL – Hell I don’t know.
You can compare humans to animals I suppose and just assume that since a male chimp would “hit” anything – so would a human male. I think that’s a bit simplistic. I’m not an expert on animals – but I believe in most species, the female is only receptive at certain times (though there’s probably some exceptions I don’t know about). Human females can be receptive at any time – and this differentiates them from most of the animal kingdom. If human females can differ – why not human males also?
What I’m getting at here is that I think our capacity for logic and rational thinking has something to do with human females being different. And I think that same mental “cognizance” makes me different from a chimp – and therefore not attracted to 15 year old girls.
To me – they’re “empty shells”. They are no where nearly as attractive as older females because they have no experiences and I’m superior to them in every way. Hell … you don’t even have to have a lot of “power” to gain their interest. They are not a challenge. I do have some experience with young girls “winking” at me – it’s not like a few haven’t attempted to throw me a “pitch” or two.
I don’t know – maybe I’m unusual. I feel pretty normal though … LOL.
Point I’m trying to make here is – we’re not going to hit a “grand slam” here. No way we’re going to defeat neo-feminism and the Swedish model as long as we find ways to rationalize 50 year old men with 15 year old girls. Society will not follow us there – not for many generations. It’s too far a leap for the majority to make.
You’ve got it backward; the idea that it’s “unnatural” for a biologically adult male to be attracted to a biologically adult female was the leap it took generations to make. And we’re not going to get anywhere denying that truth. The neofeminist agenda is based on the denial of biology, and it’s impossible to defeat it by espousing it.
You are not attracted to very young girls because of their immaturity, but how would you feel about a very immature 30-year-old? A very mature 18-year-old? I’m not saying that you’re wrong to have a preference; everyone does. But that doesn’t mean other people whose preferences are different are “sick”. Now, if I had a friend whose preference included 15-year-old girls, I’d advise him to move to Idaho or Hawaii, but that’s only because I wouldn’t want him to get in trouble, not because I think there’s something “wrong” with his attraction to young biological adults.
Well I was raised on a farm, Maggie. Horses, Cattle, Poultry … and Dogs – we had them all. Yes, animals do reach sexual maturity at a certain age but I don’t know any good farmer, or student of animal husbandry who will breed them at that age. Many dogs will come into heat at 6 months of age but it’s crazy to breed them that young – usually you’d wait until they’re a year and half – maybe two years.
What exactly does a 50 year old man get from a 15 year old girl that he can’t get from a 20 year old? Seriously. 15 year old girls aren’t any more sexually attractive than 20 year olds. What do they have that a 20 year old gal doesn’t have?
It’s not what the 15 year old HAS … it’s what she doesn’t have.
The only thing a 50 year old man can get from a 15 year old girl is an easy conquest over someone who’s typically not savvy enough to figure out his motives. In this case – he’s a predator looking for the easiest kill out of the pact.
Call me crazy – I just don’t have any sympathy for the guy and I don’t think he’s much of a man. And – he definitely won’t be walking the planet very long if I catch him in my house looking for my daughter.
Trying to fit that guy into society and excuse his actions is one of those things that makes us Libertarians look crazy to the general public. I don’t know, I just think we should stick to realistic goals. We can’t even get a casino put in on the banks of Lake Ponchartrain because of the churches … we’ll pay hell trying legalize prostitution while attempting to protect that 50 year old man’s liberties to 15 year old girls.
We just have to disagree here (but only a little 🙂 )
I’m not personally attracted to 15 year old female minors either. They may not be physically able to handle a pregnancy yet. However most of that is due to the fact that it is illegal in many states and the U.S.military to have sex with anyone under the age of 18 even if you are 18. There are too many legal ramifications and in order to protect myself, I wouldn’t knowingly touch a 15 year old. Also most of them are very immature acting and thinking to me. However, I believe that is due mostly because we infantilize teenagers and so they act like children instead of being more adult like than in the past. That also has an effect. Immature personalities and knowledge of their minor age ruin it for me too. I acknowledge your points.
However, I will side with Maggie McNeill on this. Biologically, 16 is the average age of physical maturation and 18 is the brain age of maturation for human females. It is 18 for physical maturation and 20 for brain maturation for human males on average. Maggie is right that there are 15 year old female minors who have convinced adult men that they are 18 years old by decieving them and the law doesn’t care even if the man can prove he has been decieved, and it will still punish him. Men are biologically and physically attracted to physical beauty and youth in that order because it is the best proxy a man has for female fertility. My Great Grandmother was engaged to my Great Grandfather at age 15, married to him by age 16 and gave birth to her first child, my grandmother, by age 17, and my Great Grandfather was 6 years older than her. My Great Grandmother was born in 1900. This was very common practice in the past. across all cultures. It was the idiot moral do-gooders, the idiot White Knights and the early idiot neofeminists who changed the laws and brainwashed us to doing and thinking differently. These idiots I mentioned have no idea how real human sexuality works, and anyone who believes them is a fool following the fool which makes the followers worse fools. People had to start breeding early mainly because so many died at a young age. A man can control his biological urges, but he can not determine what those urges are, nor should he be expected to know any better when he has been decieved.
Krulac, first, I hold you in the highest respect. Yes, that means I’m about to smash your self view with Government Approved Egg Separator. 😉
“But I’m not attracted to 15 year old girls. Do I notice and marvel at certain anatomical parts on them? Sure.”
Congratulations. You are an instictive biological alpha male. Notice = attraction. Good news: the ladies luuuurve an alpha male. You are a prime example of Homo Sapiens Sapiens male mating material, on all instinctive levels.
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“But I don’t even entertain the slightest thought of “doing” anything with them.”
Congratulations. Your socialisation and intellect just clamped down on your instincts. You are putting your Homo Sapiens Sapiens Civilicus conditioning to use to avert yourself from a behaviour you find unnaceptable.
Remember: she might be looking at you and thinking “Jesus he makes me wet, the hunk, I want to jump his bones”. Especially if she has Maggies instinctive traits, and openness about sexual behaviour. Biologically, a 15 year old female may be a woman. That’s cold science fact.
“Am I “abnormal”? LOL – Hell I don’t know.”
No, In nether respect. That’s *you* specifically.
But if a male noticed her sexually, and responded, and she reciprocates, that’s Biologically normal, too. For the entire Homo Sapiens Sapiens race. For the last 250000 years, that’s the baseline.
That’s what Maggie is saying.
Semper Fi – Not because I am a marine, or military, but because the ideal that phrase conveys is one to aspire to, dude: Respect.
I want to kiss you for this comment.–
The simplest and most obvious truths cannot be spoken under the regime of feminism.
But a woman can be the free-speaking heroine. That’s you, Maggie.–
Thanks for the support, N/a! Any regime which suppresses basic truth is, by its very nature, oppressive.
IIRC, the Norwegian law makes it illegal to buy sex in Norway or anywhere else; so a Norwegian taking the short trip to tolerant Denmark could theoretically be arrested upon his return home.
This is another example of how the Swedish model must necessarily get more and more extreme in pursuing it’s impossible goals.
Many US citizens do not realize that the *disgraceful* PROTECT ACT has imposed a universal 18 year old Age of Consent for any US citizen travelling anywhere. It *does not matter* what the AOC is in the place to which one travels; just like the Norwegian law, the federal law of PROTECT follows one everywhere.
If someone wishes to drop a dime on an unwary American male, they can. And that means you can get off a plane and be jailed as a “sex offender,” your life runied infinitely and beyond repair, ever, for having had consensual sex with a 16 year old legal filly in, say, Paris.
How evilly terrible!
Extraterritorial laws have been on the rise for the past two decades; it’s an unfortunate side-effect of globalism which IMHO needs to be struck down by an international court.
Wow… “a picture’s worth a thousand words” indeed!
The self-proclaimed “champions of women’s rights and freedom” have put the burkas on themselves. >.>
Also, since I have no idea when the “perfect moment” will come up in one of Maggie’s posts or commentary to link this, I’ll do it now.
I find it ENORMOUSLY telling that this simple three-letter word is this Family Feud question’s
Number 1 Answer.
(Only took him a second to think of it too, and he said it with such conviction.)
Government always seeks a way to insinuate itself into our lives. We must be ever vigilant to stop it. Unfortunately many in society thrive on the Leviathan State and will do anything possible to facilitate and expand it.
Iceland has twice the rape rate of most other countries, or twice the rate of false rape accusations?
According to what I read, it is the adolescent female chimps that present themselves in the mating position to mature males, but the males prefer a mature female if one is available (in heat). That doesn’t stop adolescent female chimps from copulating 3,000 times before they reach reproductive maturity.
We aren’t chimps of course – we humans mentally castrate girls in early childhood to discourage them from presenting themselves in the mating position to mature males.
“Buying sex is a crime. Big sister watching you,” Hard to believe any organisation would like having a warning like this one. Guess they think it’s cute because it’s Big sister instead of a Big brother.
Just for information’s sake, I blogged about the effects of the law in Norway here.
Sweden also has an extremely high (reported) rape rate – which has gone up significantly over the past decade – and there has apparently been an explosion of rapes in Oslo lately. I’d be cautious about linking this to the countries’ sex trade laws, though I have absolutely no doubt that if the rates were going down, abolitionists would be the first to make the connection.
The rapes in Oslo and in the Scandy in general are being committed, for the most part, by Muslims.
There’s your answer.
It’s only an answer if Muslims are implicated in rape increases everywhere. They’re not.
I don’t think they really can be linked; Belgium (legalized), New Zealand (decriminalized) and the U.S. (criminalized) have higher reported rates than Iceland, and Norway (Swedish model) lower. The definitions of rape and behavior of the police in those countries are all too different for a valid comparison. The only real comparison could be before and after changes of prostitution laws within a country, as in the Cundiff study.
Hi Maggie, the study you linked to is a cross-country study. It doesn’t show before-and-after within any particular country. Was it another study you were thinking of?
Argh! The problem with doing a column every day is, though I rarely forget facts themselves, I sometimes forget exactly where I saw them. I’ll see if I can’t locate that source for you.
What bothers me most is that these are real lives being ruined, here.
Because of our society’s messed up attitude towards sex, most men who see whores have to keep it secret. Being exposed can ruin their lives, costing them jobs, families, reputation. and for what? To satisfy an unrealistic puritan ethic? Seriously? Why are we still immersed in all that nonsense?
As for the women, it’s how they pay their bills. I can seriously say without doubt that sex work offered me a better life than I would have had otherwise. Maybe that’s hard for people to understand. And maybe for most it’s not so. But for me it was.
I think the fact that it offers a better life is one of the main reasons it’s still illegal in the U.S. Big companies like McDonald’s and Wal-Mart don’t want women without skills to have a good alternative to wage-slavery, just as the garment industry in Southeast Asia don’t want poor women to have an alternative to the sweatshops.
I think this is more a fundamental failure by the majority of women to understand the minority. Most women would only have sex with a man under certain circumstances (i.e. romance). So they just figure that something is seriously wrong with the few who are willing to sexually service a man for money. They probably also see men’s sexuality as inherently predatory and thus something to be controlled.
To be clear with the concept of a 48 year old dating a 15 year old the concern usually isn’t whether or not a physical attraction can exist, or the historical precedent for it, but rather the fact that it would be very easy for a 48 year old to dominate the relationship and abuse the 15 year old. Why with the difference of social power, wealth, and psychological maturity there avoiding such a one-sided relationship would be nearly impossible. This is true regardless of the genders of either the 48 year old or 15 year old.
A society that prefers a relationship where the man is old and has more power than the woman he’s with is the very definition of a patriarchy. In the past this was the case. Even today a 48 year old man looking at a 15 year old woman is considered more normal than the reverse. Of course this easily links up with the “All men are sexual predators!” stereotype.
A man’s sexuality should be controlled by incentives and possible punishments and of course with compassion and reality. the problem now is there is very little compassion and reality in the USA about men and sex. There’s very little in the way of incentives either. The system is designed to criminalize and enslave men. It’s also the same when talking about prostitutes. Women don’t understand men any better than men understand women. The problem is a higher percentage of women don’t really want to understand and sympathize with and for men than men want to understand and sympathize with women in the current USA. A man’s sexuality must be predatory in a benevolent way otherwise our human species would not continue. If we men thought like women concerning sex and relationships our species would die out from lack of sex and procreation. American women rarely see that if a man’s sexuality is benevolently predatory, it is good for the human species because we continue because it engenders preocreation. Men also need a truly good outlet for their sexuality. Women rarely see it this way in the USA. It’s all designed to enslave or criminalize men under the misandry of the USA.
I personally know a woman whose first time ever was at 16 with a 39 year old man. And it ended with him losing interest in her & treating her like a cumdump. Her partners got steadily younger as she got older & hit her twenties, but she’s never dated a guy of the same age as her or younger. She’s not a slut or a pro, but she’s got a much more open perspective about sex than other girls in general. She has sex for pleasure, without fencing her pussy into a relationship, but even then her standards are higher than a guy in her position. Just today we talked about this guy she found on Tinder & met irl. He was smoking hot & intelligent (I took one look at his photo & wrote him off as a fuckboy coz as a guy, I can see things in guys that girls don’t), and viola, I was the one in the right. She didn’t even feel like finishing the date coz he had such a horrible personality. Now, I wouldn’t have been comfortable with leaving without even getting a free meal or sex out of it, or cutting his ego down to size, coz I would have been tolerating him for so long + he was genuinely hot, but she did. I would put a person like that in the booty call bank if they were attracted to me. But her standards were too high for him to even classify for that. And that says something about how differently we see things.
Two points to address what QuantumInc said:
1. My wife recently told me she would not accept an “indecent proposal,” i.e., sleep with another man, even were the fee $1 Million. Her moral point of view just cannot countenance doing such a thing (age and children have changed her significantly). She barely ever sleeps with ME, so I guess she just is not that into sex anymore.
Second, I was thinking to myself, “Can you imagine what we could do with that $1 Million? You’d have my blessing to do that, honey.” I also thought, “I pay a WHOLE LOT less than that, dear!” (LOL).
2. There is a difference between finding a woman (whether age 15 or 50) physically attractive and wanting to date her. Men are very visual creatures, and it is not impossible for a physically mature teenage girl to be very attractive in the physical sense to a much older man. The situation in the original post seems to imply that it was merely her young age that enticed the man, which is a different thing altogether, IMHO. Whether a 15-year-old is able to consent to sex is another question, one I am not qualified to answer.
Maggie, I think the AoC list you linked to is out of date. The information I found on three sites is that the AoC in Hawaii is now sixteen, and I remember reading some years back about the arguments over changing it from fourteen to sixteen. It was the first time a Hawaiian governor’s veto had been overridden in umpteen years or some such.
Let’s face it: often times the forty-eight year old man won’t be able to tell, by looking, if yonder hottie is fifteen or nineteen. Yes, the man in the example from Iceland (where the AoC is, in fact, fifteen) the man was aware that she was claiming to be fifteen (and let’s face it: a nineteen-year-old can fake being fifteen quite convincingly). But plenty of guys jerked off to Tracy Lords without knowing that she was fifteen.
Further. The AOC is *not really* the AOC in any state where it is under 18, esp. where it concerns heterosexual, white men.
If a straight, white, 35 year-old man in NJ was dumb enough to fuck a 16 year old girl, (the AOC is NJ “is” 16), prosecutors have an extraordinary wealth of outrageous laws, e.g. “luring” laws, that assure criminal charges will be brought in almost every case.
Some of the most outrageous and unconstitutional laws ever passed in US history were passed recently and concern the AOC. In Delaware, for example, the AOC “is” 16 — unless, and you may find this impossible to believe, so get googling — the man fucking the 16 year old has reached his 30th birthday — in which case it is now *rape.*
There is a similar law in Florida. No one *ever* discusses these unprecedentedly unconstitutional abominations.
n/a, if you are going to claim that American states prosecute heterosexual white men more than non-heterosexual or non-white men for breaking age of consent laws, I want to see some statistics to back that up.
Finally. I think many “normal” men, who are always prattling about their normality and naturalness, would be surprised at what happens in the mind and elsewhere of a sexually mature 15/16/17 year old girl.
Perhaps they would merely be terrified. 😉
The lesson for men is: stay far far away from these fetching little lasses. *Everywhere* in the world, alas!
It’s a telling sign of our wretchedly canting world that we’ve almost lost the joyous and comic word “jailbait.”
I’d bet my life that Maggie herself was as fine a piece of jailbait as ever drawled a sweet “hi, mister” in short-shorts.
Sorry, Maggie. The power of Christ, or somesuch, compels me. My blood’s up.
Guilty as charged. I was an awful little tease, and the word “jailbait” was applied to me within my hearing fairly often; it was the nickname bestowed on me by one of Jeff’s grad-student friends and he kept using it for a while even after I turned 17 (AOC in Louisiana).
One question that seems to be going around in here: are fifteen-year-olds, legally, children or adults?
Well, if you want to do a little bit of the old in-out-in-out with her, she’s a child. If she wants to watch an R-rated movie by herself or with others her age, she’s a child. If she wants to buy tobacco or beer, she’s a child.
But if she is accused of committing a crime, she’s an adult. If she gets convicted of a crime, she’s an adult, and may well get a harsher sentence than a twenty-something or thirty-something.
Basically, she’s a child and too immature to understand the consequences of (and thus too young to make) her own decisions, but let her make a decision we don’t like and she’s suddenly an adult with full responsibility and fully aware of what she was doing.
Or to put it another way: teenagers are children when it’s convenient to adults that they be children, and teenagers are adults when it’s convenient to adults that they be adults. Because whatever else teenagers may be, they’re not voters. You’re looking for what the bass man says at 1:25, and in fifty-three years nobody’s said it any better.
In one of the southern states – specifically which one I don’t recall – it is legal for an 18 yr old woman to act in a porn flick but illegal for her to watch the same.
Such a group is popping up in Ireland months before legislation is even on the cards, though it’s likely only a piss take (messing around) and will find it incredibly difficult to gather information in Ireland without the help of vindictive sex workers.
The original group in Iceland reappeared in 2012, after it’s first failure when Police declared the information they provided, understandably to even a child, as inadmissible. There reincarnation was to cause hardship and police harassment for even legitimate massueses/sports therapists who advertised in Icelandic newspapers (as shown in the FB comments below the article) http://grapevine.is/News/ReadArticle/Big-Sister-Sends-Out-Tips-For-Spotting-Illegal-Massage
The radical feminist and ideologically confused Leftist coalition government which was in power and implemented the ban has also recently been defeated in the elections, with the conservative party which brought the economic collapse of Iceland put back into power (go figure) as part of a coalition government. I wonder any chance of the law being repealed? Governments of any shade usually don’t relinquish coercive powers granted to them, as you are well aware, but we can live in hope!
Personally I would hope that a reverse entrapment is possible in Ireland to unmask those involved and bring the “vigilantes” themselves before both civil and criminal law.