She was not ashamed to take him, she made herself naked and welcomed his eagerness; as he lay on her murmuring love she taught him the woman’s art. For six days and seven nights they lay together, for Enkidu had forgotten his home in the hills; but when he was satisfied he went back to the wild beasts. Then, when the gazelle saw him, they bolted away; when the wild creatures saw him they fled. Enkidu would have followed, but his body was bound as though with a cord, his knees gave way when he started to run, his swiftness was gone. And now the wild creatures had all fled away; Enkidu was grown weak, for wisdom was in him, and the thoughts of a man were in his heart. – The Epic of Gilgamesh (Tablet I)
While I understand why many activists and allies argue decriminalization from human rights, libertarian or harm reduction viewpoints, and indeed use these arguments myself because they are all valid ones, it’s sad that almost nobody wants to acknowledge another, equally important factor: human society needs whores every bit as much as it needs farmers, soldiers, physicians and builders, and far more than it needs preachers, academic feminists, politicians and 90% of the other control freaks who work so assiduously at rousing the rabble against us. Our ancient ancestors understood this; it’s not accidental that in the Epic of Gilgamesh, the temple harlot Shamhat is the one who tames the wild man Enkidu, turning him from a beast to a man. But in the 5000 years since that powerful myth was first pressed into clay, Man’s world has forgotten its debt to us and has generally succumbed to the hubris of believing it no longer needs us; even in areas where our trade is legalized or decriminalized there is the self-important pretense that we are merely being tolerated as a magnanimous landlord might allow stray cats to eke out a marginal living on his property.
The change was very gradual; it wasn’t until about half the time between the writing of Gilgamesh and that of this essay had elapsed that someone first conceived of the idea of bringing the civilizing power of whores under the control of the state. As discussed in one of my earliest columns, the Athenian politician Solon passed laws to reduce the relatively high status of Greek wives, and attempted to undermine the power of both independent prostitutes and the cult of Aphrodite by establishing cheap state-run brothels staffed by Asian slave girls; the failure of his attempt is a demonstration of the futility of proposals by certain historically-ignorant academics to establish a similar system with machines in place of slaves. The Romans, Japanese, Catholic Church and other powers of the next two millennia did not even attempt to replicate Solon’s scheme, but rather contented themselves with taxing, regulating and socially isolating whores in order to establish patriarchal dominance while still allowing us to perform our vital social function: giving men, whose demand (as Paglia put it) “always exceeds the female supply,” an outlet for that surplus libido.
Wise whores all know what feminists, preachers, politicians and pundits vociferously deny: our trade saves far more marriages than it endangers, by allowing men the sexual variety they crave without endangering the social, emotional and economic arrangements of marriage. In fact, I would even say that it was the emergence of commercial prostitution in the first millennium BCE which made widespread monogamy feasible; I predict that an historical study would reveal that few if any cultures abandoned polygamy before hookers were widespread in that society. Nor are wives the only women whose safety and happiness are protected by harlots; prior to the late 19th century everyone from saints to kings understood that whores allow male passions which might lead to rape or other unsavory sexual behaviors to be siphoned off harmlessly in a manner which helps support some women while simultaneously preventing harm to others. A 2004 study by Kirby Cundiff showed that the rates of rape and other sex crimes decrease in societies where prostitution is decriminalized or otherwise tolerated, and Swedish statistics document a sharp rise in rape after the implementation of their much-vaunted client criminalization model.
In some parts of the world, prostitution is already widely viewed as a job like any other, and most non-totalitarian governments recognize the need for our trade despite a refusal to publicly acknowledge it; even the United States pointedly ignores the existence of escort services and massage parlors except for periodic raids designed to “keep us in our place” and to please the stupider elements of the Great Unwashed. Some very limited groups (such as the more educated and/or wise among both sex workers and clients, the majority of sex therapists and the more enlightened among advocates for the disabled) already recognize the vital role whores play in human society, and I can envision a future (depicted in the story I published one year ago today) where even most governments understand it at least as well as they did for most of history. But for now, I’ll have to content myself with urging activists and allies to stop ceding ground to prohibitionists by pretending that prostitution is an evil to be tolerated rather than a good to be celebrated.
Nice article, as always, and I’m inclined to agree.
Whenever we’re told about the ‘good’ of sex work, it’s always framed in the context of sex workers providing the physically disabled with an experience they might not otherwise have, or the would-be sexual predators with an outlet for their frustrations. The ‘good’ of stopping the break up of marriages and relationships by allowing compartmenalisation of the physical from the emotional is seldom, if ever mentioned, particularly by those that are not sex workers.
I’m a woman in a monogamous relationship with a man I love dearly. We’re pretty open about our sexuality, and constantly re-evaluate where we’re at in terms of monogamy, likes, desires, etc. We’ve spoken about all of the situations we can think of that might arise in the future, and decided that if either one of us decide we want to have sex outside of the relationship, we’ll talk about it, and most likely employ the services of a sex worker. Ditto if we decide to try a ‘third’ and one or both of us is squeamish about the potential for emotional attachment if we brought in a random third. Not to mention the higher risk of disease if we pick up a random third!
I couldn’t imagine taking a stand for decriminalisation while simultaneously considering sex work to be something to be barely tolerated rather than recognising it as valid and valuable work. It smacks of patronising hypocrisy. There are certainly valuable arguments to be made from the human rights, libertarian and harm reduction perspectives that will help us to argue against the ‘end demand’ rhetoric, but the end goal must surely be the WORKER’S RIGHTS of women in sex work, and I don’t see how that can be the goal of anyone who doesn’t see sex work as valid work, like any other sort of work.
To even talk about sex work in this capacity is so taboo to American savages that a recent article from a sex therapist on Huffington Post talking about how extramarital sex can strengthen a long-standing monogamous relationship addressed open marriages and cheating…but not pros. Which is like talking about curing a medical problem with drugs or faith healing, but not surgery.
I wouldn’t want to hire a sex worker who doesn’t feel I deserve to be able to.
Ultimately, the value of anything is what it will bring — the principle David Friedman calls “consumer sovereignty” and discusses here.
You write sensibly about a subject which desperately needs sensible examiners. The ways in which we look at sex work are so tainted – by misogyny, puritanism, and simple fear – as to be almost universally both hypocritical and stupid.
You’ve made a historical argument here, but the economic one is even more compelling. The sheet volume of sex work – workers, customers, transactions, volume of revenues – belies virtually all claims by those who would keep sex work (and sex) marginalized.
Thanks!
Roughly one in ten women has taken money directly for sex at least once in her life (and that’s not counting stripping, nude modelling, dating wealthy men, etc) and nearly seven in ten men has directly paid for it at least once (I’ve often wondered if part of the discrepancy isn’t due to different definitions of the word “paid”). Yet out society continues to pretend this is some rare fluke, despite the fact that there are vastly more paid heterosexual transactions than homosexual encounters, and we now accept the latter as normal.
Indeed. If you count expensive dinners and shows, a great many more men have “paid” for sex than anybody cares to admit.
A woman’s familial wealth is not an absolute determinant either. Dynastic marriages have always taken place and still do. If a marriage is based on any other reason than mutual affection, then how is it different from what an escort or street walker does?
I’ve never liked the argument that hookers reduce the incidence of rape. It might be true – but, in my mind, there is no excuse whatever for a man to force himself on a woman. If all the women of the world agreed not to have sex with Krulac (and this is something that would NEVER happen 😉 ) – but just speaking theoretically here – even if it did happen I wouldn’t force myself on a woman.
That said, I agree wholeheartedly that harlots have a positive social influence on men and I saw it many times in the military. Speaking for me personally, when I was a young submariner I was constantly working on the boat to learn my trade but, also as a young man, it’s very hard to do that when your mind gets stuck on sex (and I really don’t know if women understand this). I was constantly at sea (298 days in ’84). I had one “provider” in Honolulu that I absolutely (literally) loved and port visits to the Philippines, Korea, and Guam provided the necessary respite for a recharge too.
I remember my boat crashed into the side of a submerged mountain during a mission I can’t talk about – and we were stuck tight in the mud for many hours. We were shallow enough to use the escape systems but the water was freezing and you don’t want to use submarine escape systems if you don’t have too. We eventually got off the bottom – but not all the crew survived this ordeal mentally. Most of us did, but the experience was jarring. We pulled into Guam for four weeks of repair on the submarine and I can tell you that a bunch of us PLANTED THE FLAG in the “Ichiban Massage Parlor” – which was a straight up brothel. We practically lived there for four weeks – got to know all the girls. They took our minds off what had happened and we were able to get back into the boat four weeks later and continue that mission.
This is NOT an unusual story – what whores have done for military servicemen. It is, however, a story that no one will tell today – which pisses me off to no fucking end.
Unfortunately, the US government doesn’t care about the health and welfare of military personnel any more; all it cares about is politics. And it will play the political game no matter how many men suffer lasting damage because of it, or how many women get raped or sexually assaulted because of it, or how many officers need to be sacrificed to Moloch because of it. And it will not stop until the government collapses or every last influential neofeminist is dead, whichever comes first.
I’m not really a book author but someone needs to research and write a history of the relationship between US military servicemen and hookers. This is especially true in light of the comments of that stupid flag officer who recently stated that hiring hookers for sex is repulsive to war fighters.
This weekend, I was on the Facebook pages of some of my comrades from the first boat I was on and a few of them actually had posted pictures of themselves in brothels with hookers. You wouldn’t know they were hookers – they were dressed as straight women and sitting down at a bar having drinks – lots of smiles from the men and women alike (so they just looked like a normal gathering of happy people) – but I recognized the places the pics were taken as well as the women so I know who they were.
On my last deployment – I suffered a bout of “anxiety” attacks. I thought I was having heart problems and the ship flew me into Bahrain to get checked out. Doc told me my heart was fine – I just had anxiety, and it was prolly caused from all the shit I was seeing and experiencing in Afghanistan flying recon guys in and out of the war zone. Anyway, I met a Marine there who was absolutely torn up – he had said he couldn’t see through his right eye, so they flew him out of Iraq and back to Bahrain. Doc’s said his eyes were fine – both of them but they had no doubt he THOUGHT he couldn’t see through them. Well, the vision was impacted in his right eye (his rifle eye) and he had experienced some shit in Iraq and his mind just “flipped” a switch and ignored his right eye – causing him to be flown out of the war zone.
Anyway – he was recovering but he was still a nervous wreck. I talked to him one night at the base club (the “Desert Dome) and I told him that he needed to get his thoughts off shooting people – and getting shot at. I told him to go hire a Russian hooker in town – they’re beautiful and plentiful in Bahrain. He had saved up plenty of money – but he needed a “buddy” to go off base for security reasons. So we got up – and ran out to a local bar with a hotel upstairs where the Russian ladies set up shop – and while he was up there with one – I played darts with other servicemembers in the bar.
He was up there for over three hours and I was about to panic – thinking the Russians had hauled him off to Siberia or something, and it was all my fault. But no, he came down eventually – a MUCH MORE relaxed guy. I asked … “WTF? Were you going for some kind of MSOG record dude?” And he said “No” – he only did it once. He told me he had problems at the beginning but the girl was understanding and held him and they talked for a long time. He told me he told her some of the things he saw in Iraq – of buddies that didn’t make it out – and he cried in her arms. Eventually though – something clicked and he was able to perform and he was ecstatic.
He flew out – a couple days later, back to his unit in Iraq – which was what he wanted, he didn’t want the war to get the best of him and he didn’t want to let down his buddies in his unit. I never saw him again – I hope he made it back out eventually.
But – if he didn’t make it – that Russian girl was the last bit of real life he experienced before punching out of this world.
These kinds of stories – happen every day in wartime – and no one really knows about them. A book about them would be a gift to this world.
I had similar experiences after Hurricane Katrina; many men were badly traumatized, and just wanted to be held. One guy was happily married and didn’t want sex; he told me that he saw so much ugliness every day he just wanted to look at something beautiful for a while. And another hired me for his brother, a lawyer whose wife and kids were still evacuated; he was miserable and so totally drunk that I was to play the part of his wife, and he held me and told me how much he loved me (of course he thought he was talking to his wife). Of the men I saw during that time, at least half wanted either no sex or very little.
Exactly.
Yeah see, when I experienced that brief bout of anxiety – it just pissed me off more than anything else so I was able to “power through” it with phone calls and emails to my wife and a lot of determination. And though what I was exposed to was pretty bad – it was nothing compared to what the Force Recon guys had to deal with.
A lot of people don’t understand how big, strong men can be broken by these kinds of experiences and, in fact, we are surprised ourselves when it happens and totally lost on what to do about it. Men have “buddies” but we don’t “lean” on our buddies emotionally all that much unless the problem we’re having involves a woman – and war problems don’t.
It’s WAAAY easier to share everything with a woman. Either one you know well, like a wife or girlfriend – or one you totally DO NOT know (like a hooker). Why is this? I fucking don’t know. I can’t remember ever crying in front of other men – the thought is a nightmare for me. I HAVE cried (on very infrequent occasions) when I was alone with women – not like a little baby – but you know. I didn’t feel “weird” or uncomfortable doing so really.
So, for guys (especially single ones like this young Marine) who are a long way from home – I’m glad there are whores out there who will spend some time with them to relieve this kind of stress. Yeah, I know they’re being compensated for their time but that doesn’t matter to me. And, what’s astounding to me is that I’ve never heard a story of a hooker saying … “Look, I’m not your shrink I’m here to do something else.” I’ve never heard that and that makes the whole occupation of harlotry even more confusing to me, because most of them seem so willing to go outside the normal boundaries and discuss a problem the man is having. And – in a lot of cases, some of these women may have even greater personal problems than the men crying on their shoulder – and so you’d think … “How can these women absorb any more?”
But of course – hooker women can do this because all women can do this.
Women are awesome like that.
I’ve written before about what a shame it is that people with PTSD (or more specifically their therapists) don’t have access to MDMA, which has been shown in peer-reviewed, double-blind studies to be very effective, sometimes to the point of cure.*
The military crackdown on prostitution is the same way. These guys need some stress relief, some contact with women who aren’t soldiers themselves. Making it so that fighting men can’t have access to harlots means that more will need MDMA-assisted therapy, which they also will not have access to.
* The standard dogma is that “there is no cure for post traumatic stress disorder.” Well, yes there is, but hey, some young people are jumping up and down with glow sticks and talking about love, and we can’t have that. So tough luck, veterans.
While a goodly proportion of men would not rape under any circumstances, there are still men around who would be tempted to take what they cannot otherwise get. However if prostitutes are available at a price that they can afford, then they would likely opt for paid sex rather than risk the penalties of an actual crime, especially since sex is a recurring and long term need.
I would never rape — but a lot of normal male behavior gets misclassified as rape by people with the wrong biases. For example, this.
“my boat crashed into the side of a submerged mountain”
Does that happen often?
I’ve long thought that we should make some sort of depressurization period a mandatory part of military service. Maybe send everyone to a resort for a week or two when their term of service is up, for instance (just spitballing). Everyone knows how important it is to drill into a soldier the mindset of war, but we don’t as commonly think of how important it is to help them get out of that war when their hitch is up.
I am reminded that in ancient Rome, a legionaiy was not permitted to enter the city until a year after his tour of duty was over.
It’s so great to read someone else write things I’ve been saying myself for so long. Really appreciate your blog.
“In fact, I would even say that it was the emergence of commercial prostitution in the first millennium BCE which made widespread monogamy feasible; I predict that an historical study would reveal that few if any cultures abandoned polygamy before hookers were widespread in that society.”
Perhaps; but wasn’t it the sequence of settled agriculture, specialisation, the ideas of property, paternity and inheritance that drove marriage and (female) monogamy?
I mean monogamy as we know it, not female sexual exclusivity paired with male access to multiple wives, concubines and slave girls. Modern monogamy didn’t appear until it became cheaper and easier to hire a whore than to support secondary and tertiary sex partners.
Your arguments are always persuasive, but I’m still a bit sceptical on this. Not going to bet, though.
Another interesting post and I think you’re very right. For too long I think people have stuck to a particular moral perspective and our views on matters such as prostitution needs to be reclaimed from those with a vested interest in pushing and maintaining that perspective.
It’s clearly a flawed argument that sex work (which isn’t invasive, away from instance in residential areas) is harmful to the “common good”. Thus when it’s clearly not harmful it is the interests of those who actually engage in the work which must be the primary guidance as to what’s they think would improve their working environment and every available support should be provided to address that, rather than (and I always have a little laugh when I read about them on your twitter feed) wasting resources sending SWAT teams into escort agencies and massage parlours, at a cost of thousands of tax payer euro/dollars per raid. Once the women are given the necessary status and protection, the role of the State should be only to remove, and hold to account, the violent clients which many horror stories feature.
So, in conclusion, it is my young and humble opinion that people need to stop having their views led by others on this issue and we need to once again return to cherishing, protecting, and maintaining the sex goddesses for what they do. It’s amazing how the Gilgamesh story sounds like things I’ve read everyday that I’ve been dabbling in the escort scene, of how ladies (or women as some neo-feminists prefer) can within an hour make even the most down heartened of men whole, and make a living from that.
Yet, it’s the epic of Gligamesh, not Shamhet. Gligamesh the king, the unelected politician, the control freak. The person who was supposed to control the people as though they were animals.
And who also had sex with all of the women but still kept oppressing people.
“We pulled into Guam for four weeks of repair on the submarine and I can tell you that a bunch of us PLANTED THE FLAG in the “Ichiban Massage Parlor” – which was a straight up brothel.”
Wow, how times have changed! I remember when Guamanian taxi drivers would ask us if we knew any nice girls
Well, Guam is an interesting place. It’s actually LOADED with massage parlors and the Ichiban is still there – well, at least one parlor named “Ichiban” is there – not sure if it’s the same one we patronized though.
Here’s a funny (and short) thread on bodybuilding.com about available women in Guam …
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=430802&page=1
There basically AREN’T many women on Guam. It’s a tiny island loaded with military and Rep Hank Johnson once seriously stated in a public hearing in the Capitol that putting any more people there might cause the entire island to “tip over and capsize”. YouTube search that – it’s hilarious!
There really isn’t a possibility of dating a local Guamanian girl – her brothers and father would kill you. I dated a Hawaiian girl for a few months and experienced this same thing from her family. When we went on dates – she took a bus to the Ala Moana mall to meet me – and then we’d go to the North Shore and eat dinner at some po-dunk place up there, or we’d sneak into my apartment (which I shared with two other guys) on the Ala Wai canal. Anything else would have been suicide if we got caught.
But, what I’m really getting to here is this … Guam is so small, if prostitution can be snuffed out anywhere on this planet – it would be here. Yet, on Guam – prostitution thrives. And here’s the real dirty secret … while the US Navy is cracking down on prostitution in South Korea – and flag officers are declaring that harlotry is incompatible with the morals of a “real warfighter” – on Guam, the US Government does nothing about prostitution because they would be up SHIT CREEK without a paddle if it didn’t exist there.
There is too much testosterone on the island of Guam.
Throughout most of history, or at least the past few thousand years, marriage was more about alliance between families-clans-tribes than about love. Which is why whores were seen as necessary as long as they didn’t socialize with non-professional women.
I recall reading Dante about how whores had to bathe in the river because because the public bathhouses were forbidden to them. Can’t be associating with the “good” women, I guess.
I’m glad that’s changing in this day and age with Dr. Magnanti breaking that “social death” barrier to a certain extent.
I suspect the menfolk didn’t want the whores giving their domesticated sisters ideas. 😉
Maggie, you know I support you 100% on this subject; our only disagreement is method and means. The need for the professinal sex provider (as I call them, I respect them to much to call them whores since I am nt one) is greater now than ever in this stress filled society. We males are not that far removed from good old Enkidu; only our trappings have changed.
“In fact, I would even say that it was the emergence of commercial prostitution in the first millennium BCE which made widespread monogamy feasible”
Did you ever read J.D Unwin’s theory on sexual repression being the catalyst for civilisation?
P.S Shamat looks like something from ‘Where the Wild Things Are’.
You mean Enkidu? Shamhat’s the girl. 😉
Long term, for prostitutes to secure their full rights, (legal) decriminalization will have to be followed by (cultural) normalization; and that will necessarily include the widespread knowledge of the societal benefits of prostitution and the usually good character of whores.
The final stage will be the acceptance that prostitutes (active and retired) tend to make better wives.
My D&D campaign world includes sacred harlots, like Shamhat.
I’ve seen her name translated as “voluptuous woman,” as “prostitute,” and as a possible feminine version of a male name meaning “magnificence.” Well, she was all of that. If they ever make a movie from the epic, I think her role will be the toughest one to cast.
Regrettably, the actresses best suited are also the least likely to want to do the nudity and other sexual activities the role would call for. you would need Kate Winslet or Heather Graham in their prime, and both hav retired from doing nudity.
A shame, that. Maybe there’s some new up-and-comer. Or somebody wanting to change her image. Emma Watson has said that she’s willing to get her kit off for the right role.
I’ve seen Mel Gibson suggested for Gilgamesh, and if he hadn’t gone nuts I’d agree.
Gilgamesh was a redhead, and needs to be both younger and a better actor than Gibson. I did think of one possibility for Shamhat-Anne Hathaway. Her performance in love and other drugs was enlightening.
Hathaway’s name is being bandied about for the possible remake of Barbarella.
Oh be still my throbbing loins. I thought of a couple of others, who would be great, but would probably cause H-wood to back off for racial reasons: Halle Berry, Jessica Alba, Selma hayek.
Are suggesting Berry, Alba, or Hayek for Shamhat, or for Barbarella? Of course I suppose the same actress could do both, and make quite a name for herself if both movies are successful.
Yes. Any of the above. I truly want America to lose its uptight attitude towards sex. Back in the TBR (Time Before Reagan) not going partially nude–or fully–was more of a career killer than going nude.Jacqueline Bisset, Julie Christie, Jane Fonda, Faye Dunaway, and Barbara McNair, to name a few. Not going nude got you exiled to TV.
I would love to see Hathaway as Barbarella, and a darker skinned actress play Shamhat, especially one of middle Eastern background. Ewan MacGregor for Gilgamesh, and Gerald Butler for Enkidu.
Back in the day, it wasn’t even that big a deal if a not-quite-eighteen girl showed a little skin. It took Brooke Shields at freaking TWELVE to get a rise out of the media.
By the way, I know the perfect person to play Enkidu: Manu Barrett. He played Crisus in the Starz Spartacus series, and more lately, Slade Wilson/Deathstroke in the CW TV series “Arrow.” He would be a great Enkidu!
Just took a look at him. Yeah, he’ll do nicely.
So, red-headed Ewan McGregor as Gilgamesh, Manu Barrett as Enkidu, who has the looks and the presence to play Shamhat? Anne Hathaway? Maybe? But she is not going to make me believe that she is capable of taming Enkidu. Eva Morales? closer. Lucy Lawless? five years ago, yeah, but last I saw her she’s packed on a few pounds. Have to give this more thought.
Dear Sailor B, thank God your campaign world also includes the non-whores who help out men sexually. You don’t treat us like we’re invisible and/or demonized. THANK YOU!
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Laura, Sailor B’s campaign is a fictional world. I doubt that among the wizards, clerics, mercenaries, and yes—sacred whores—he’s included any Washington Nationals baseball fans. I’m not complaining. Incidentally, thank you very much for your generous efforts.
Yeah, I can agree with that. If I end up running another game, I’m going to try to work in a Washington Nationals joke, just for you. 😉
And now Brady reminds me to practice Penny Lane.
Brandy, not Brady. This has nothing to do with Mike, Carol, Greg, Marsha, Peter, Jan, Bobby, or Cindy.
Or for that matter with Roman, Marlena, Bo, Hope, Kayla, Kimberly, or whoever’s there now.
But for now, I’ll have to content myself with urging activists and allies to stop ceding ground to prohibitionists by pretending that prostitution is an evil to be tolerated rather than a good to be celebrated.
This seems to solely rest on the myth that no woman enters prostitution voluntarily and that has been internalized even by some activists.
A 2004 study by Kirby Cundiff showed that the rates of rape and other sex crimes decrease in societies where prostitution is decriminalized or otherwise tolerated, and Swedish statistics document a sharp rise in rape after the implementation of their much-vaunted client criminalization model.
This seems to be another point that shows some hypocrisy among liberals who identify as being more sex positive. They will quote this when arguing with a conservative who is against prostitution and pornography but object when someone like, say, Camille Paglia who is pro-porn and pro-sex work and agrees that this reduces rape rates, points out that rape has a sexual/out-of-control lust aspect to it instead of the “rape is about power, not sex”.
Naming yourself after my favorite hetaera of Athens, you have my notice and respect. All of my liberal friends should go and read my 3/24/12 OpEdNews article if you have any doubts about the legalization/decriminalization of prostitution. http://www.opednews.com/articles/Making-Sex-a-Crime-by-Richard-Girard-120324-103.html
I take a quick look at Sweden, its hypocricy, and the fact that the majority of the Swedes disagree with the law. New Zealand is a far better model, as well as New south Wales in Australia.
Thank you, kindly! 🙂
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I have been a fan of the Epic of Gilgamesh for years and after reading this went back to read it again and finally understand it. Thanks.