A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer. – Bruce Lee
Another monthly collection of (I hope) helpful answers to questions posed by curious readers.
How do you expose a gay man pretending to be a woman on a chat site?
Well, first of all, not every man pretending to be a woman on a chat site is gay. As I discussed in my column of November 14th, some are trolls or “geeks” desperate for attention, others are cops or injustice perverts trying to trick people, and many are probably just horny guys trying to create interactive porn stories they can wank themselves to. But no matter what the motivation, a guy is a guy and will tend to act and think like a guy despite his best efforts to disguise himself. It’s a pretty safe bet that any chat-room “woman” you get a really strange “vibe” from is probably a man, and if “she” wants to start talking about sex right away or asks you to describe or send pictures of your penis, you’re almost certainly talking to a guy.
But let’s assume your cyberdrag aficionado is practiced enough to avoid such rookie mistakes; how can you tell then? Well, you could ask questions that real women can answer easily but men tend to have trouble with, like bust size; confused by porn and men’s magazines, guys will often combine a bust measurement with a cup size to create hybrids like “42D”, which would be the bra size of a rather big woman. The relationship between measurements and dress size is also a mystery to most men; if your self-proclaimed “hot babe” claims to be busty but supposedly wears a size 2 dress, it’s either a guy or a fat woman with a really low opinion of your intelligence. Just for comparison, I’m 5’5” tall and 132#, wear a 34DDD bra, my waist is 25” and my hips are 36”, and I wear about a size 7 if the dress is cut loose or made with spandex, 9 if it’s tight or of stiffer fabric. There are others, but obviously you might just be a “cyberqueen” yourself trying to trick me into giving you a checklist. Your best bet is just to pay attention to conversational style, which is hard to fake.
In the comments for my February Q & A column Americanus wrote, “It’s very nice to see women giving such great advice on blow jobs. It may sound selfish but I certainly would be open to advice on how to improve on oral from my end as well.”
The single most important piece of sexual advice I can give a man is “pay attention”. Most women are very sensitive to our partners’ feelings and often aren’t entirely honest about what we like for fear of bruising male egos; we thus tend to remain silent when we don’t like something because the truth is often greeted with the sort of hurt look one sees on the face of a kicked dog. So we fake orgasms, endure bad oral sex and suggest changing positions to escape activities which have become intolerable. And even if you have unusually high self-esteem and can accept the sexual criticism most men cannot, your partner may not know that and probably won’t risk finding out. But there’s a way to break the cycle: don’t listen to her words, pay attention to her reactions. As you try your favorite oral technique on her, watch and listen for sounds of pleasure and arousal; if you don’t see them, try something else until you hit on something that seems to work better. Do more of whatever she seems to like and less of whatever she seems to dislike or not care about, and you’ll be surprised at how quickly your technique improves. Ladies, this works in reverse as well; most men will unconsciously pick up on such cues, so make sure you visibly and/or audibly react to things you like so as to encourage them, and go quiet and still for things you dislike so as to discourage them. This lets him know your preferences without the risk of hurting his feelings, and has the advantage of letting him think the changes in technique are his idea.
A few dos and don’ts are in order, though; guys, the most sensitive part of a woman’s sexual anatomy is the clitoris, not the vagina. Licking and (if it’s large enough) sucking on the clit will accomplish a lot more than trying to stick your tongue inside her or lapping her vulva like a dog drinking from a bowl. Some women’s clits are so sensitive they cannot stand to have them directly touched; if your lady is like that just work though the hood. In other cases (including yours truly) the clitoral hood is so thick that unless it’s moved you won’t accomplish anything; this is a prime example of the need for paying attention. Finally, remember that the entire area is very sensitive; a stubbly face rubbed or ground into a woman’s crotch can be acutely painful.
Though there are a few constants, different women like different things so there is no substitute for learning your partner’s individual preferences. And I suspect we’ll get a demonstration of that over the next few days as my female readers chime in on what they enjoy best in oral technique.
Recently, a guy started a thread on ECCIE in which he asked why mature escorts are still interested in sex while so many middle-aged women aren’t. He asked if they used hormones or special exercises or anything like that. What’s your opinion on the subject?
Don’t tell me, let me guess: The thread was full of escorts talking about how “horny” they are all the time. I really don’t know why guys start threads like that on hooker boards; do they actually expect honest answers, or are they just looking for fantasy material? If any of those women answered honestly it could adversely affect her business; most men prefer to embrace the myth of the wanton than to acknowledge the uncomfortable reality that escorts have sex for money, not because they’re nymphos who want nothing better than to jump into bed with an endless series of (often unappealing) strangers. Obviously, escorts are generally more open to sex than many amateurs or else they wouldn’t be very successful, but for the most part the reason they’re more “interested” than wives is that their livelihoods depend on it. In defense of the wives, I must point out that if their husbands flattered and pursued them like they do whores the wives might feel (and act) a whole lot sexier. Of course, the average high-dollar hooker puts forth a lot more effort to be sexy than the average wife, so it cuts both ways. If both husbands and wives tried a little harder, their sex lives might not go south quite as badly. As for the hormone thing, I already discussed that on February 5th.
Maggie, thank you for quoting my mum’s first cousin. (Yes, we’re related to Bruce L.)
So, does an aptitude for the martial arts run in the family? 🙂
Umm, actually it does. I learnt nunchaku from maternal grandpa and I’m pretty good at it (single pairs, not doubles, alas!). I also have a fast, fierce and extremely painful under-right and backhand right punch, also courtesy of grandpa. Yeah, it runs in the family. But I personally prefer courtwork to solving problems – much more painful to the opponent!
How about you? You any good in the martial sphere?
My university fencing instructor (saber) said that I was “competent for a woman”, which coming from him was high praise. That, however, was a quarter-century ago. I’m a pretty decent shot with a pistol, though. 🙂
College fencing — good!! (A long time ago for me, too)
I really like the quote, and will be sure to use it. Lee was a pretty smart guy, and it’s a shame he died so young. If he had lived longer, the world would have not only gotten more of his exciting movies, but more quotes like that.
Naked, I usually don’t care who anybody is related to, but I have to admit that’s pretty cool.
Thanks! Personally, I don’t care much about it either, although I have to say I AM related to a couple of ridiculously famous people. Pretty cool, too, to have those famous relatives tell me to forget about them and do my own thing.
Yes Maggie,
I never did it or do it for the sex. I do it and did do for the money…ONLY and yes I told them what they wanted to hear. I felt that was my job. They were paying for a fantasy or something they did not hear at home, so They were ALL Great and the best that I ever had….LOL!
Not sure why men think prostitutes LOVE sex. Not sure why they cannot figure out the game, but I am glad they cannot.
Ah but with the flip of the coin. Farleys believe that all prostitutes HATE sex and HATE men (for the most part anyways). Wereas I would not consider myself some kind of nymphomaniac nor would I consider hating sex. I enjoy it as much as the next normal type, average person. The fact that I get paid for it doesn’t make me love it more or less. A person can enjoy what they do and get paid. Not that hard to figure out. I can’t imagine being a chef and hating to cook.
As for men, well some of them are quite… delicious, and fun … especially when they do that quick intake of breath and little shiver when I… oops I’m digressing here.
I can’t remember in which column I said it, but I once pointed out that nobody believes that all chefs hate cooking, or that all nurses work in hospitals because they just can’t get enough of caring for people. But everybody wants to opine that ALL prostitutes must either adore their work with a passion or hate it with a passion, when the truth is that while there are examples of both types, most hookers think of it as a good, lucrative, usually-not-too-unpleasant job.
I see what you are saying.
I did not say (I) hated sex, just that I do and did it for the money ONLY. Once in awhile I got a guy that knew EXACTLY what to do and that was nice. They were few and far between for me. I, however prefer women, so that might have a lot to do with it. The men never knew or cared which (I) prefered.
I had to see up to 8 guys a day when I started out and I am sure if you ask any prostitute if she would have sex with 8 guys a day for FREE, the answer would be NO. I personally will never do another guy for FREE, no not even one. Women know more about how to please me than any man ever will.
The Chef may not hate to cook, but the chef is not going to cook for free. The chef too gets paid for the work.
Hugs………..JOYCE
Tease.
Ok, that dog picture cracked me up. Seriously, I’ve still got the giggles.
😀
OMG, I just found this blog, and its amazing! I used to work at a rather high end massage parlor, and now I am in a rather respectable profession (by society’s standard’s of course!) requiring a graduate degree-I actually have two, so more evidence against the downtrodden enslaved pimped-out prostitute! At the massage parlor, I also did a little bit of domination work, but I preferred the massage work itself, as I am not a dominant by nature.
I figured I would chime in a little for the fellows looking for oral tips for their women. One thing that I can recommend is *please* start out softly, and for heaven’s sake, do NOT dive right in. Ugh, my husband insists on doing that, and wonders why I am always slamming my legs shut. As Maggie pointed out, this area is sooooo delicate, and any oral at all hurts me if I am not at least a little aroused. I don’t like oral as a means to warm up, but I love it *after* I am warmed up! After my clitoris is erect, its very nice, provided a man is gentle, but ouch! if I am not ready.
Welcome to the site, Domi, and thank you both for the compliment and for the input! 🙂
I do or at least did it for the money. Never for the sex.
As far as cyberdrag, you can always eventually pick them out. Women are so much more complex emotionally, with so many layers within our thought process. They don’t get the emotional responses correct, they don’t get body/clothing correct, they don’t understand that women are virtually never stimulated by disembodied parts.
Men doing the cyber drag thing piss me off.
Ack, the disembodied parts thing! I’ve been reading that dudes sending chicks pictures of their cocks has become practically an epidemic; for Aphrodite’s sake, how clueless can they be? 🙁
Prostitution? Definitely for the money, not worth the risk otherwise. If it was just about sex I’d be out finding men that I am attracted to. Now when I get a client who is attractive to me? Ahhh life is good! Just saying I would’t be doing this if I had some aversion to sexual contact.
I don’t think any woman would be too successful in the business if she had an adversion to sexual contact. It would show no matter how she tried to hide it.
I just do and did it for the money, but the clients always THOUGHT that I did it because I totally loved the sex. That kept them coming back and regs were the foundation of my income. I always liked the overnights and dinner calls.
I just do weekend, to 10 day calls now. It is like having a guest for that amount of time. Nothing like the hard work of trying to do 8 calls a days.
Hugs………………Joyce
I had one girl who clearly disliked the work; every time she did a call she had to go home and shower, wash her hair, etc before she would see anyone else, which meant she was out of pocket for at least two hours. Shallow guys who just wanted a piece of tail liked her because she was quite beautiful (in that stereotyped “tan California blonde” sort of way), but I never sent her to guys who seemed to be interested in personality or a real GFE.
Oh I have no doubt, but she would never be too suscessful as an Indy.
I knew a beautiful french girl that once worked as a stripper at the Gold Club, then became an escort, but would not have sex with a man, she listed with the service as a (Feature Entainer), which through the service meant table top dancing etc…It clearly said on the service website about her…NOT AN ESCORT, but men would call and ask for her thinking THEY would be the one to change her mind. I remember having to go in behind her, which I never liked because she was so beautiful. She was 1,000.00 per hr and would only do ONE call per night.
She told me that when she danced at the Gold Club, she would go home and scrub her body with a brush to get the “Dirty men smell off”. She was a lesbian and when she and I did doubles, she would not even let ME do any SEX with the guy. He was usually drunk and she just kept dancing and teasing until the time was up. Now she did talk him into a (Two girl show) That was nice. She would tie him up etc…until the hr or two that he paid us for was gone, He usually just accepted it or was so tired he went to sleep anyway.
She had no trouble getting her ONE call per night. She never would have made it without the service backing her up though. Yes one of the most beautiful girls I had ever seen or done…LOL! The dark hair and eyes with creamy white skin. Everything I am not, but would like to be.
Hugs……….JOYCE
The girl I’m speaking of was straight, but I guess she bought into the “money makes it dirty” bullshit. What she said about her bathing was very similar to your French girl; she said she felt “dirty” after a call. 🙁
*pops popcorn*
Maggie, this guy’s hysterical. Can we keep him?
Nothin’ like a crazy conspiracy theory to make perfectly good philosophical principles sound like flat out lunacy.
“She was 1,000.00 per hr and would only do ONE call per night. ”
Wow. Some guys just have too much money.
Last year I donated about USD15,000 to abused fathers. Some of them I paid their rents and put food on their table. One ex serviceman told me he actually cried when my email arrived saying “I heard you are in trouble. What do you need?” I sent him USD3,000 to pay back rent and buy food and give him a chance to get out of his hole. He had helped be via his videos and books. He told me no-one ever did anything like that for him ever in his life. EVER!
I donated just short of USD8000 to Mark McMurtrie to help him restored the lawful rights of the Originie people in Australia. They were taking a bus around the country and had run out of money. USD8000 was all I could send. Men had been BEGGING for money to help him and getting nothing.
I’ve been begging men to donate to Mark to help us restore the rule of law in Australia. I’ve begged and begged and begged and begged while putting as much as I can afford into the pot.
And some men pay 1,000 per hour to watch a woman dance? Fuck me. Maybe men like that deserve to die for allowing their fellow men to be so badly abused and not helping them out. It’s just criminal that some men pay THAT much to watch a woman dance while their fellow men are foraging in garbage tins for something to eat and living under bridges. Damn……
http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/39/threadid/119/scope/posts/Default.aspx
Well, Peter, I think “deserve to die” is pretty strong, don’t you? Personally, I can’t figure out why anyone would pay $100 for sneakers or thousands for a very ordinary-looking dress, so considering that $1000 to watch a dance isn’t all that far-fetched. We all have the right to approve or disapprove of others’ actions, but it’s important that governments not be given the power to enforce moral views by threat of violence. Simply put, “everyone has the right to be wrong.” 🙂
PETER…….Women have the right to charge what they charge and if they can get it, that is GREAT. Some men pay 1 million dollars for cars. Do they deserve to “Die”????
Why do you devalue the company of a woman so much? Do you think it should be free on (your) demand?, Do you think YOU should set the price?
There are MANY working girls out there for you to chose from. If you do not like the fee of one, just move on to the one that suits (your) budget.
Men have a right do to with THEIR money as they choose. Too bad about the guy in the Garbage tin. My guess is most of that is self inflicted. Infact more women and kids suffer poverty then me, at least here in the U.S.
That is like the people who bash BILL GATES. It is HIS and his wifes money, he earned it and he married her. Thery are free to do with their money as they please.
We have shelters here for abused women and children and am an advocate for abused children. The kids that I help are infants and toddlers mostly and some teens that were abused by their parents.
Oh…Hi Maggie…I’ve just been reading your site. Fascinating stuff. You actually write very well and you are actually intelligent and insightful in your comments. The only other blog that I have seen like this is the female misogynist. I am amazed at your site and what you are saying as well as HOW you are saying it. The honesty is very refreshing. I was just reading some other articles to get a sense of you.
I can’t see ‘reply’ on your comment so I put it here.
You probably didn’t get my meaning on ‘deserve to die’ as you are likely not aware of the depopulation agenda the Illuminati are currently running. I didn’t mean ME killing them. I meant the Illuminati killing them.
Simply put the Illuminati are culling people (like sheeple) in large numbers via a variety of ways and their end goal is the get the worlds population back to 500M people. I can’t imagine that 6 billion people are going to go voluntarily.
I am one of the leading people in working to stop this ongoing genocide. I have written to the likes of Ban ki-Moon, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Angela Merkel, Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard, Brian Cowan (Irish PM), Mary McAleese (Irish President), the Queen as well as a host of lesser lights. All these people have been totally unable to rebut anything I have said. I even have a letter from the German government saying that the UNs Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not apply to german citizens. I sent that back to Angela Merkel and asked for her position given that the last German leader to say that went down in history as not a likeable chap. I also sent it along to Ban ki-Moon and asked his position on this. Seems he does not have one. How about that?
I am the first, and remain only, man in the world to lawfully video record a family law matter to gather the evidence of the crimes being committed therein. Link below. I have PROVEN with a mountain of evidence next to it that the ‘governments’ are nothing but commercial enterprises running Uniform Commercial Code and I have proven the remedy which is what I published in the book. We have run two grand juries in Australia. I just finished the procedure manual for our new courts. I have just last week put all Police Officers in Australia on notice of their crimes and set April 1 as the date by which they will be deemed to have read that lawful notice and will be held accountable before our new “Peoples Court of Australia”.
http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/97/threadid/159/scope/posts/Default.aspx
We have evidence of things like torture and murder in custody by the police in Australia. We have evidence that at any time the freemasons are targeting tens of thousands of individuals for unlawful abuse. We have evidence of genocide of the population by poisoning. We have evidence that many figures are knowingly committing treason. We have charged 54 of the most prominent legal and political figures in Australia with mis-prison to treason. So I am really not very popular with the Australian government right now! LOL! They are particularly pissed off I am doing this all in my own name.
And you know something? As I have been reading your site I am struck by the idea that current and former prostitutes might even be an ally in this effort to stop the global genocide. I don’t know any prostitutes (well, not knowingly) so I never ever thought about them as a group that might actually help us in our efforts.
Prostitutes are always so demeaned by other women and not a small number of men. And men who use prostitutes can have their lives ruined by other women and men. That guy from New York, the governer, is an example. Can’t remember his name now. But I am intrigued by your site and what you say. I really am. And I am struck to the core by your open and honest presentation. I just need to read more to get a better feel for you. I’ve never spoken with a prostitute, if you don’t count my WIFE!! LOL!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/peternolan1109?feature=mhum
Well, Peter, I agree that Western governments are becoming more and more totalitarian, and that police are becoming more militarized and oppressive, but I truly don’t feel that there is any need for an overarching international conspiracy to explain it; the need unevolved souls have to control everyone else explains it quite well without a conspiracy. Please don’t consider this an invitation to debate the matter here; I like to keep my comment threads on the general subject, which is prostitution. Believe me, I’m often tempted to talk about police brutality, government repression and the like, but I restrain myself unless it’s brutality or repression of prostitutes or our customers. 🙂
Hi Joyce,
you misunderstand me. My reply to Maggie makes clear my meaning.
I do not ‘devalue’ the company of ALL women. I treat western women as less than worthless. I treat them as the liabilities they have proven themselves to be. This is true in the vast majority of cases. Where it is not true it is up to THOSE women to stop their sisters from spoiling the well. I am done with western women.
You have the link to my personal web site. So unless you have read my case history I won’t bother answering your ‘man-hatred’ comments about me. I find the vast majority of western women (by which I mean english speaking and feminist) to be truely repulsive in their characters. I have all the evidence I need to hold that opinion. And before you throw any more man-hatred at me. You might want to read what one Australian grandmother wrote about me.
http://tnsradio.ning.com/forum/topics/take-note-men-and-women-its
I GREATLY value the company of eastern european women. A ukranian woman helped me save my life when I was suicidal over the kidnapping of my former children in early 2008. Without her help? I would be dead. Maybe I would pay HER 1,000 for a dance, eh? Indeed. I gave her a gift of lingerie for the price of one dance. Best EUR200 I ever spent!! LOL!! She did actually give me a ‘tip’. If this woman had decided she did not want more children we might have married. Since she will not give up on children? I will never remarry. She was the last woman I would consider marrying.
I met a woman from the czech republic and she was simply the most lovely woman I have ever met in my life. I used to take her here for weekends just to ‘hang out’ together. http://www.villakennedy.com/
There are simply no words to describe how lovely she was. And when god made her he broke the mould. I was very, very sad when we split as we both knew we would. I was her ‘practice husband’ and we both agreed to that going in. I was so taken with her I offered to remain friends so long as it was acceptable to whoever she selected as her bf/husband to be. I am guessing the answer to that question was no.
In the book I have actually quoted two of my favs and what they have said to me. But you are not invited to read my book as it is only for men.
If you don’t like my opinion about western women? You are welcome to go about holding western women accountable for the massive level of crimes they commit daily with impunity. I have called on women to form courts to hold women accountable for the crimes they commit against men, the same way men have for millenia, and they won’t do it. Western women have earned my dis-respect. If they wany my respect. They will have to earn that too.
Joyce and Peter: I know you’re both very outspoken in your feelings, but PLEASE let’s keep this civil for my sake, OK? 🙂
Maggie,
“but PLEASE let’s keep this civil for my sake, OK?”
I am always ‘civil’. 😉
One interesting tactic that western women use on the MANY forums they have had me banned from is to tell lies and throw man-hatred at me and then when I simply rebut it they cry ‘abuse’ and ask for banning.
I am reminded in one case a woman accused me of being a ‘white supremacist’ and a ‘nazi’ because I pointed her to The Spearhead. The leading online mens magazine. I pointed out that two of the contributors were black men and that there was no political affiliation to any white supremacists or nazis.
Her ‘justification’ for calling me these things was that, apparently, there is a small group of such men in Scotland who also use the name ‘spearhead’. When I laughed at her online for such a ludicrous leap in ‘logic’ she banned me for ‘upsetting’ her at laughing at her ludicrous ‘logic’! So much for grrrrl power. Oh…and just to finish that story ‘she’ was actually a man who had a gender change! LOL! She ‘he’ had become as ‘entitled’ as a woman to be upset for being shown up as stupid. If ‘he’ was still a man there would be no way ‘he’ could have banned me for ‘upsetting’ him for saying something so stupid. Are you aware of how this works with western women and their ‘upsets’?
Indeed. David Icke has called George Bush Snr a mass murderer, paedophile, rapist, satanist and said in his latest book ‘no persons voice should be silenced’. ok? That’s what the man has said.
When I went to his forums to THANK HIM for saying “the family courts are truely, truely evil” there was a woman mod who was ‘so upset’ that I pointed out a few home truths like the WOMAN is the one who goes into the satanic criminal family courts 99.9% of the time. I pointed out no man goes into the FC voluntarily because he KNOWS he will be ruined if he does….the woman mod banned me for ‘upsetting’ her. LOL!! Apparently men are JUST as responsible for going into this evil family court system even though NO MAN goes in there voluntarily. Hhhmmmm…. 😉
You are a woman. You know a woman feigning ‘upset’ is one of their best tools to get men to ‘shut up’.
Indeed. Prostitutes must know womens tools to exert influence and power over men better than the average woman. Wouldn’t you? I am guessing this because you must deal with many more men more closely than most women. Prostitutes must understand the wiles of women and the weaknesses of men better than most. Mustn’t they? It’s a genuine question. I am just guessing from what I can figure. Forgive me because I just have no idea of the various areas of prostitution. I know it must vary a great deal from a street walker to someone who gets paid USD300/hour. (Let along men like Elliot Spitzer allegedly paying USD1000/hour….I remembered his name)
I want to read your site and improve my understanding. This is all completely new to me. I guess this is what you want. People reading what you have to say and improving their understanding. Right?
You’ll notice it was ME (the owner of the site) who asked you BOTH to keep it civil; nobody complained and I’m the only moderator here. I simply won’t let my site degenerate into a place where people argue; it isn’t meant for that.
Congratulations Maggie!
On what, you ask?
On your first completely crazy reader! I’ll admit that Bedelia was somewhat misguided and definitely had some psychological issues, but this guy is a certified whack job.
Now, Peter, “deserve to die”? Individuals don’t deserve to die just because you think their actions are wrong. The only thing one perhaps might “deserve to die” for is DIRECTLY taking another person’s life out of PURE malice or cruelty, and even then I seriously question whether or not government should be given the authority to carry out such justice.
My opinion of the “Illuminati” is that it’s a myth much in the way Biblical stories are myth; stories passed down through generations that are symbolic of some sort of transcendent human thoughts or ideas in a non literal manner.
sorry Brandy emailed me to read this earlier and I’ve been doing so in portions, commenting along the way. LOL
“I am the first, and remain only, man in the world to lawfully video record a family law matter to gather the evidence of the crimes being committed therein. Link below. I have PROVEN with a mountain of evidence next to it that the ‘governments’ are nothing but commercial enterprises running Uniform Commercial Code and I have proven the remedy which is what I published in the book. We have run two grand juries in Australia. I just finished the procedure manual for our new courts. I have just last week put all Police Officers in Australia on notice of their crimes and set April 1 as the date by which they will be deemed to have read that lawful notice and will be held accountable before our new “Peoples Court of Australia”.”
I haven’t had the chance to look over the links that follow this statement, but from reading this thread I’ll again venture to say that Peter is badly corrupting some decent principles with an extreme amount of lunacy. Damn shame.
I definitely think Peter needs to take a deep breath, collect himself and perform some deep introspection. I told him in a reply (somewhere in this long thread) that others might be more inclined to listen to him if he’d tone down the rhetoric a bit. 🙂
Maggie, I guess we will never understand some of those in the biz.
I have seen ALL kinds and maybe it is best we do not understand or know why…LOL!
Too confusing fo me anyway.
I think the money is what makes it REAL NICE!:)
I am greedy that way, but HONEST.
Guys used to say “I want to make you feel good” My first thought was put another 800.00 down there and I will feel REAL DAMN GOOD:)
Hugs………………………….JOYCE
Yes, me too, but of course one can’t say that. Obviously they value the pleasure more than the money or they wouldn’t trade the latter to obtain the former. But they don’t understand that, as with many Mars/Venus issues, we’re the opposite. 😐
Agreed and glad it is not the reverse (:
Wow Maggie,
Interesting site. Thank you.
I have LOTS of experience with prostitutes. I was with one for 23 years, only I didn’t know she was a prostitute. I thought she was my WIFE! LOL!! Well. That’s that the marriage certificate said anyway.
Look. I am amazed I had not seen your site before. I just found it via the spearhead. I have put two links below so you can see what I am up to. If you wish to make any comments as a woman as to how badly men are screwed over in divorce (like my case of 95% of 25 years of labour being given to a wife who refused to work for 16 years of an 18 year marriage) I’d be willing to allow you to register to our Crimes Against Fathers site and speak your mind there.
You see. I see Prostitution as perfectly ok. What two people choose to do and are happy about is no business of anyone else. Certainly not shrew women like my ex.
I don’t use their services as where I live there is plenty on offer for ‘free’. Meaning the women are trying to get ‘babies and money’ on the ‘wife prostitute plan’ like my ex did and not on the ‘pay as you go model’. I see prostitution very much to be merely the ‘pay as you go model’. My wife, costing me at LEAST 1M euro over 20 years, would have been FAR more expensive than an eastern european prostitute here in Germany. I have just published a book. It is on the second link. And in there I put a chapter called “A Word on Prostitution”. You can see it in the list. If you wish me to publish a comment to this chapter just email it to me. You have my email on the post.
Again. Interesting site. It never ceases to amaze me some men pay USD300/hour for the ‘girlfriend experience’. If that isn’t an indictment as to how horrible western women are now then nothing is. LOL!!
http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums/tabid/82/forumid/39/threadid/45/scope/posts/Default.aspx
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/58/scope/threads/Default.aspx
Peter, you need to be careful about that “free” pussy; as you found out the hard way it’s the most expensive kind! 😉
I wasn’t aware of The Spearhead, but I’ll certainly take a look at it and at your site as well. I’m not sure I’ll comment there, though; I’ve peeked at men’s rights sites from time to time (someone sent me a link to one yesterday, as a matter of fact) and I’m not sure some of the guys would welcome a woman’s voice, even a sympathetic one. I’m not saying I blame them, mind you; they have good reason to be angry, but anger can often blind people even to sympathy. So I may indeed comment but I’ll consider carefully before I do!
As for the GFE, it’s really nothing new; there have been courtesans ever since ancient times. The only difference is that the modern economy has made it possible for middle-class men to afford such women, who previously were available only to the upper classes.
I’ll definitely look at your book a bit later, and thank you for the compliments on my site! 🙂
I million dollars for 23 yrs of service sounds fair to me. My rate would have MUCH higher!!!
After all you were getting “20 to 30 orgasims” out her a night…LOL!
You say “It never seases to amaze me some men pay 300.00 per hr for the girlfriend experience. If that isn’t an indictment as to how horrible western women are nowthen nothing is..LOL” My rate is 500.00 but only because the economy is slow.
I think you better stay in the place you are. PLEASE do not come to the US and bring your cronies. You will change NOTHING here Pal!!! You are looking to use and abuse some woman. No victim here and you will never find FREE pussy, ALL pussy cost in one way or another.
You call your ex a prositute and think you are putting her down after 20 23 yrs of service????. My guess is she was glad to get rid of you!!! Yes she should have gotten MORE than the 1 million you claim she got. Which is probably ANOTHER LIE.
Stick with the FREE and tell your cronies to do the same, but do not tell us American women how to behave or how disenchanted with us you are. I personally do not give a damn.
Go home cry baby!!!
You gave her 20 to 30 orgasms per night…YEAH RIGHT…Too Fucking funny!!! You da man!!!!
Maggie,
please consider yourself invited over to the spearhead to share your views. I, for one, am dead keen to see an open and robust debate on prostitution in the MRA/MRM area.
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/03/31/anarcho-misogyny-confronting-hypergamy/#comment-82835
“The single most important piece of sexual advice I can give a man is “pay attention”. Most women are very sensitive to our partners’ feelings and often aren’t entirely honest about what we like for fear of bruising male egos; we thus tend to remain silent when we don’t like something because the truth is often greeted with the sort of hurt look one sees on the face of a kicked dog. ”
Actually Maggie. That doesn’t help any more with western women. Like all things I put my mind to. I became very, very good at giving my wife great sex. She would have 20-30 orgasms in a night. She would then call me the next day at work and BITCH about how sore her legs and back were because “you made me have all those orgasms”. Yes. I do mean she roundly criticised me.
Duh? YOU AGEED and said you LOVED IT!
Women I have dated since my ex? They simply can’t believe a man can be that good in bed. They are like “your ex f***ed you over in divorce court and you can do THIS? No other men can do THIS!”
I’ve had about 9 or 10 women tell me in the last 3 years that they have NEVER had another man give them sex like I do. My fav1, the first time I really got her ‘engine running’? She screamed up such a storm that I thought the neigbours might call the cops. She can run a marathon in under 4 hours and she was pretty shattered once I really learned my way around. And she did the same to me. It was a lot of fun.
But its STILL ‘not good enough’ to be a ‘partner’ to a woman any more. Add to that I have taken on the Irish and Australian governments and I am one of the worlds leaders in re-establishing the rule of law across the english speaking world? Add to that I am top 20 in the world in my profession? Make excellent money. Add to that I am honest. In good shape for my age. Boyishly handsome still. And I am STILL ‘not good enough’ if I am not willing to be a slave to a woman? Even my fav1 has now moved on and the issue is babies. She wants babies and I don’t. Women just want babies and some man to pay for them and they really couldn’t care less about the man. It was a hard lesson to learn for me because I had such a great mother.
I find western women quite repulsive now in their ‘entitlement attitude’. I only date eastern european women. They are really lovely. But they STILL only want a man so that he will pay for HER babies.
Us fathers don’t have babies. Women have babies. Fathers have liabilties. And no women will speak out about this. Nothing is ‘good enough’ for a woman other than a slave or an alpha that gives her the ‘gina-tingles’.
I have recently graqduated from beta-father-husband-provider-loser-smuck to alpha. I notice I am treated entirely differently as an alpha. I also notice that the harsher I treat women the more they try to please me. As soon as I start ‘being nice’ the women turn off. It’s amazing. Its so stupid and so opposite of what my mum taught me that it’s taken this long to figure it out. Our mothers betrayed men like me not telling us how to properly treat women. “Treat them mean and keep them keen” is something I heard as a lad but my mum told me it was wrong and I believed her. My mistake.
Well, Peter, it depends on what you want from women. If all you want is sex, then “treating them mean” will absolutely work; most women are attracted to dominant men and those with low self-esteem don’t think they can do better than to be treated badly. But the quality women (who, admittedly, have become quite rare in the West) with good self-esteem will just laugh at men who treat them badly because they know they can get strong, dominant men who will treat them well. Now, by “well” I don’t mean let themselves be doormats or walking wallets and agree to whatever bullshit demands the woman comes up with; I mean treat them fairly and with kindness.
It’s definitely a tightrope for men now; a man has to be able to divine a woman’s true character before getting involved with her, so as not to be tricked. And if he doesn’t want kids and fears being tricked into financing a sneaky woman’s offspring for two decades, a vasectomy is probably a wise precaution.
I have replied to this offline as I feel I am cluttering the place up a bit today.
Maggie is welcome to put any/all of the reply here.
PETER……….20 to 30 Orgasms a night….LOL! The cost you would have to pay for that would be about 300. to 500. per pop if you had not been married. Not that I believe it really happened. I think you are over sexed and have a HUGE ego. Guys with HUGE egos had to pay me more and still do.
You mentioned FREE, well good luck, but know that there is no cure for herpes, Hep-C or Aids.
I know a woman who got herpes on the dating sites, then got mad and said she will give it to every SOB she can. I told her to please just make sure the guy is not married that she sees for FREE. I figure if these guy are willing to dive in, then so be it. I cannot go hold a sign outside her house to warn them.
Hi Joyce,
Yes. I do know about STDs. Why would you think I wouldn’t?
That was my wife and it took about 15 years of 23 years together to get to that. They were HER orgasms. Do men pay prostitutes to have orgasms? That’s what you seem to be saying. Is that so? I’d find that hard to believe.
Joyce. Some men DO want to become very good at giving their beloved wife the best possible experience of life in ALL areas of life. This despite the ‘all men are bastards’ refrain us men have to listen to so often. My ex had a life that was better than ANY of the girls we went to school with. (We went to the same school). No other guy my age from my school did better than me in business. None. One did better by way of sport.
We had a great life. So let’s not clutter up Maggies site. Her site is about a former prostitutes view of the world and I am here to be educated not insulted. She has my email. She can email me directly too. I have read ‘the happy hooker’ but it doesn’t really resonate or explain much to me. And it was a long time ago.
So Joyce. Feel free to teach me about what goes on in the world of prostitution from the womans point of view. I have zero idea. I live in Germany. Prostitution is legal here and they have large clubs as well as the normal kinds of places. Entry to one of their clubs is EUR60-80 and the girls charge EUR50 per half hour. These are the hottest of hot women. This is common knowledge among men here. I look at those prices and say “that looks like way too much money”. I make lots of money depending on whether I can be bothered going to work.
The idea of paying EUR200 (about USD300) for an hour with a woman seems laughable to me. I really don’t understand why a man would do that. Particularly when I already consider EUR50 per half hour over-priced despite making plenty of money myself. Feel free to explain it to me. Men tell me that I would get a ‘much better experience’. But I compare it to this.
I once stayed with my Czech lady friend at the Villa Kennedy for three days. The room was a king with balcony overlooking the restaurant. It was EUR260/night including breakfast. Dinner in their 5 star Italian restaurant was about EUR100 for both of us. Lunch about EUR50. I think the bill for the three days was about EUR1,200. The VK is said to be the best hotel in Frankfurt and they have a VERY good argument. For this we had use of the gym, the pool, the spa, the sauna, the lounges. It was a very nice three days. A mini holiday. She is poor. She had never experienced anything like this before. Me? I used to live in hotels like this for months at a time. They are boring as all shit to me.
So I don’t get a rate of USD300/hour let alone USD1,000 for a dance. The fact I don’t get it doesn’t mean I don’t value the company of women exampled by my lady friend. I value time with women. And they must also value their time with me. That I put in the EUR1,200 for the VK and she put in nothing is what ‘equality’ looks like from the mans point of view. Something that women seem to ‘overlook’ when talking about ‘equality’. Women would argue ‘she gave you sex and that counts for her part of the EUR1,200’. To which I would counter ‘are you calling her a prostitute then’? And “don’t women enjoy sex just as much as men? And if so? Why should she be paid for it in this case?”
Western women seem to have a very hard time answering any of my questions so I stopped asking them. I talk to Dr. Helen on her blog. But that’s about it for me and western women. I talk to eastern European women and I get sensible answers. In this case my lady friend is quite happy to say “You are the man and you invited me, I was just as happy to stay at your apartment for nothing. That’s why you paid.” And I agree with that. It was my idea to gift this to her. She must not pay for my gifts to her. That’s stupid.
And lastly Joyce. I believe my ex was committing prostitution soon after we split. Her cell records and tracking of the car provide some evidence of this. Link below. But, apparently, prostitutes are only ‘bad’ when they are ‘normal’ prostitutes whatever that means. When it is a wife who has committed a whole series of crimes as well? Apparently that kind of prostitution is the ‘good’ kind. The 250 women of the International Womens Club of Dublin seem to hate on ‘bad’ prostitutes and forgive ‘good’ prostitutes and even support them. I had no idea of this double standard until I encountered it.
So I’d like to stick to the topic. A former prostitutes view and opinion of relationships between men and women and how that is currently going and why. I am really interested in that! I can really learn something. That’s why I am here. Ok?
http://www.peternolan.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=Tracking+Jennifer+To+Publish+V0.1.pdf&tabid=538&mid=1230
Peter, just a suggestion. Would it not be better for you to put all that information about your ex (and your responses to Maggie’s post) in a SEPARATE POST of your own on your site? You clearly have a great deal to say about the merits and demerits of the issues raised here. It would be far more productive for the rest of us here to have a unified, definitive piece rather than having views coming in drips and draps via dislocated comments. Get my drift?
PS.
“lapping her vulva like a dog drinking from a bowl. ”
You are really funny!!
Now, THAT is on topic! 😉
Yeah like you did with your wife then expected it to me free on demand. You are full of Shit and a nut case!!!
No wonder your wife left you. The 1 million dollars was not nearly enough. (A lie anyway) You would never even get in my door you moron or the door of any upscale prositute. My security would beat your ass to death and bury you in the desert.
No pussy is FREE and PUSSY is not on demand!!!!
You might think (I) am “Funny”, but you are SICK!!!
You see Maggie?
It is always the women who try to be provocative and get a response so they can then pretend to be ‘upset’ and demand banning of the ‘offensive man’.
According to Joyce I am a ‘nut case’, ‘full of shit’, ‘moron’, her security would ‘beat your ass to death and bury me in the desert’. I am ‘sick’.
Yet we both know if I said that about her she would be asking you to ban me. Now don’t we. 😉 Western women are more predictable than an atomic clock to me now. One more reason I find them so horrible to deal with. They are such hate filled people this is how they talk about men. They want them beaten to death and buried in the desert for the ‘offense’ of holding a contrary opinion.
And ‘no pussy is ever free’? Meaning that all womens claims of ‘equality’ are rubbish. Because in an equal world pussy has the same price as penis. Hhhmmm?
They hate that I see them as the liabilities they have shown themselves to be. And they REALLY hate EEW for being lovely women to be around and giving us men a viable alternative.
Oh…and I always like the one ‘no wonder your wife left you’. Western women always LOVE throwing that little bit of ‘shaming language’ in.
No. She begged me to take her back. I refused to take her back because she was lying to me and stealing from the family finances and refused to acknowledge this. Here are her very own words begging me to take her back. I gave her an ultimatum date of October 15th 2007 to beg forgiveness and make amends or divorce. She hurled such abuse at me that day that she killed the last of my love for her. The only woman I ever stopped loving because of the abuse she handed out. Quite an achievement.
Even so. A week later she called me to ask if there was any possibility I would take her back. I told her no because she had spoken to me so badly, said such hurtful things, that I could never love her again. I could never respect her again. I could never respect myself again if I allowed such lies and abusive language to have been spoken to me and forgive it. Here Joyce. Read for yourself my wife begging me to take her back.
http://www.peternolan.com/Forums/tabid/420/forumid/58/threadid/594/scope/posts/Default.aspx
I have said many times that the idea that men and women are “equal” is political nonsense. Two things which are equal to each other are the same as one another, and men and women are not the same. We have equal IMPORTANCE in the scheme of things, but it’s because the genders complement each other, not because they’re interchangeable. Women are strong in areas men are weak and vice-versa; yin and yang, Earth and Sky, night and day. And all the endless posturing by “feminists” and “men’s rights activists” is to me like a bunch of stupid children squabbling in a playground about whether boys or girls are “better”.
No, dick is NOT as valuable as pussy; it is not and could never be, anywhere in the animal kingdom. The basic rule of reproductive biology is “spread the seed, guard the egg”, which is why men are driven to give it away and why women can charge for it. This is an undeniable FACT, no matter how little some men like it.
On the other hand, women are NOT as good at men at the kind of rational thought which makes technology possible; the dearth of female inventors, composers, engineers, etc is proof of that, and it has NOTHING to do with education as feminists are so fond of claiming because the situation has not changed in the past century and never will. This is a FACT, no matter how little some women like it.
Nature set things up so that the sexes were balanced, and early human civilizations continued that balance. But over time men, as the movers and shakers in the outside world, betrayed the trust of women and set things up so that men were not merely the governors of the world but its rulers; there is a BIG difference between the two. And so the “war between the sexes” started, and still continues today some 2500 years later. Now women are in control and are abusing men as the worst patriarchal societies ever did. THIS IS NOT RIGHT, and is provoking a backlash as any rational mind could have predicted.
The only recipe for peace is to restore things to their ancient balance, and the first step toward doing that is to decriminalize prostitution so men have access to sex on their own terms; this will bring down the artificial inflation in the value of pussy and force women to deal rather than demanding. Modern technology allows women to earn as much as men if that’s what they want, which brings down the artificially-inflated price of male labor which made the patriarchal cultures possible. And then maybe, just maybe, we can be partners again as the gods intended rather than adversaries as human meddling has created.
I wonder why it took PETER 23 yrs to decide his wife was a “Prostitute”????? Sounds like he thinks calling her that is a put down. This guy is VERY CONFUSED.
Says “I am done with Western Women”…Gee…It really is Ok PETER. rust me it really is, now run along and play with your buddies.
Duped for 23 yrs??????
Gave her 20 to 30 orgasims a night????
I need boots to wade through all that shit.
Bitterness, provocation and nasty generalizations followed by crawling up on a cross and doing a Jesus impersonation… Joyce, don’t take anyone like that seriously. It’s not worth the effort. This is the internet. On the other hand, once one stops taking anything like that seriously it becomes a great source of amusement.
Personally, I say we make a new drinking game and call it Find The Contradictions, and keep him around as our own personal anti-mascot.
Can you pass the popcorn Em?
See Maggie,
you got to love the intellectual bankruptcy of western women. From the same comments one says I am ‘sick’ etc…and another says I am doing a “Jesus impersonation…”
Hhhmmmm….It’s hardly any wonder men like me have given up talking to western women. They just come back with name calling, shaming language, lies, hypocrisy and general rubbish. I’ve been seeing this for three years now. But your writing is different. There’s something about you. I think it’s the honesty.
My sites stand as they are. Anyone who wishes can read a large slice of my wifes court documents. They can watch the video. The can read the trasncript and orders. They can read much of my correspondence to so called ‘world leaders’. I am not asking anyone to read what I am doing. We already have enough men willing to act to bring the rule of law back into Australia. I’m not hear to talk about what I am doing. Though a little background is useful.
I’m here to learn about current and former prostitutes views and opinions of relationships and the decline of the west.
No worries. You more than make up for it by talking at them.
Five shots in one post alone. As a drinking game, we seem to be spoiled for choice.
I think I’m going to need more popcorn.
Peter, you are very angry at what has been done to you and others you know, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But when you proclaim that ALL Western women are a certain way you set yourself up as a target and sound like a fanatic. It’s no different from the way neofeminists proclaim that ALL men are a certain way, and if neofeminists are unpopular among my readers (and I assure you they are) why should they react any differently just because a man is using the same kind of rhetoric?
I agree with you that MANY Western women are as bad as you say, but NOT all. I suggest you read my site in detail over the next few weeks; you’ll see that I am no fan of the way Western women in general treat men. But nobody’s attacking me or calling me names because I don’t overgeneralize, attack people and set myself up as a martyr.
Please take this as constructive criticism and learn from it. You don’t need to change your opinions, but you DO need to tone down the rhetoric unless you want to sound like a neofeminist, which I somehow doubt you do. 😉
Maggie, I think the latest rounds of comments kind of affirms your Bruce Lee quotation, doesn’t it?
(Smiles and sighs in resignation.)
But the truly wonderful thing about you is, you let the comments through and not wipe them even though they (might) conflict with your sensibilities.
(I can now see why you have to be a decent with a pistol.)
Well, I don’t let them ALL through; if I can tell right away someone like “Bedelia” or the guy who tried to instruct me on “correct” thinking is going to be a pain, they don’t get through. This thread is definitely out of hand; if it goes on any more despite my request that it stop I will delete the offending comments to restore tranquility.
Yep NakedListener,
it does. On mens sites I sometimes poke the women a bit so they respond to let the young men see what they can expect if they are crazy enough to marry a western woman now.
The treatment of men by western women is terrible. Just terrible. I solve that problem by having nothing to do with them.
The treatment of men by EEW is just lovely.
I’m not sure it’s occurred to you that you are on a site where you are, in fact, surrounded by western women (and men who are enjoying the company of western women, not incidentally).
Just sayin’. Something to keep in mind. Or not.
I made a comment to a previous post about conspiracies, and will not restate it here. If anybody cares: http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/pam/#comment-1512
I’m going to sit this one out otherwise.
Some additional thoughts…
Can’t we all just get along? Men and women are very different, but our rights as individuals are the same. I respect you, you respect me; it’s a fucking beautiful thing.
Sailor – ITA
And who the hell in their right mind wants to have 20-30 orgasms a night?
A quick clarification pertinent to me: My time and companionship = 300/hr. My pussy? Free!
I realize every woman is different, but for me? No way! After the third or fourth I’m far too sensitive, and further sex is simply endured to please my partner. That’s assuming intercourse; with fingers or tongue (the latter would have to be a prodigy) ONE is enough. 🙁
ITA?
International Trade Association?
Inspector of Titties Authority?
Instant Tea Automatically?
ITA = I Totally Agree. For instance: Maggie – ITA 🙂
Cool. Now I’ve got another trio of letters I can use, lol.
Hang on a second, I’m confused. Talking to somebody on a for-pay chat line is illegal if it’s about sex—even if no physical contact is involved? If it isn’t, then why are police pretending to be phone sex operators if it isn’t illegal?
The cops I’m talking about are those who pretend to be underage girls in order to entrap people.
The ECCIE thread — ITA. 🙂
I never take those “I’m so horny” posts at face value. They seem to be accompanied with statements such as, “I’m available tonight!” or “I’ll see you right away!” — invitations to impulse buying.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it’s clearly an ad not a “sharing how I’m feeling” post. 😉