When anything goes, it’s women who lose. – Camille Paglia
I’m sure most of you have noticed that all over the internet and even in the real world, feminists are bemoaning the fact that most young women nowadays don’t identify as feminists. Some of them disingenuously blubber “but feminists are only people who think men and women should be equal!” thus completely ignoring the excesses committed in the name of “feminism” by the neofeminists and those who let them take control of the feminist movement three decades ago. Others simper about “ingratitude” and puff themselves up about all the “victories” won by second-wave feminism, ignoring that A) as Thaddeus Russell points out, most of the important rights were won by whores, not feminists; B) other important rights (like woman suffrage) were won by first-wave feminists now long dead; C) the widespread employment of women throughout the early 20th century (and especially in the Second World War) had already started an inexorable process of increasing equality of which second-wave feminism was more a symptom than a cause; and D) those rights which were indeed won by second-wave feminists are overshadowed by the damage they’ve done to gender relations in the Western world and especially in the United States. And then there are the neofeminists, shrieking about how all men are evil oppressors and sex is a tool of the Patriarchy; is it any wonder young girls who like men and enjoy life want to distance themselves as much as possible from these harpies?
It was inevitable that any philosophy whose entire rationale is dedicated to ignoring biology (and at its worst, driving a wedge between the sexes) would eventually fade away and die; Mother Nature will have Her way, and those who ignore Her do so at their own peril. But feminism isn’t gone yet, and the word is still a politically correct one even if the tenets attached to it are losing popularity, so we’re now seeing all sorts of ideas grouped together under the umbrella of “third wave feminism”, which collectively understands that there is such a thing as biology, that men and women are different, and that there is no single “correct” way for women to behave (which is the movement’s single greatest break from orthodox first- and second-wave feminism). So it’s not at all surprising to me to see a woman who clearly rejects “social construction of gender”, and advocates that young women reclaim our gender’s natural role as sexual gatekeepers, still wanting to call herself a feminist. Her name is Toni Nagy, the article in question appeared in Huffington Post on August 10th, and while some of her phraseology is odd (by “dry humping” she seems to mean snogging and petting rather than literal dry humping) and she hits a few sour notes (such as using “whore” as a synonym for “slut” and failing to recognize the role actual whores play in mopping up the male sexual overflow), her general premise is sound and archeofeminist:
How many people’s mouths would you stick your finger in? A lot. I would stick my finger in a lot of people’s mouths. But how many people would you let stick their finger in your mouth? Not as many! There is a biological difference between the way women and men experience sex, and each gender should view and treat sex in its own way. I think women need a velvet rope and a self-important doorman for their vaginas, monitoring who gets access. If you’re not on the list, you are not coming inside. I am not suggesting a return to an archaic repression of female sexuality, expecting women to be virgins even after they have given birth. The double standard of the male stud and female slut is not only outdated, but also makes no sense. Who are all these guys sleeping with if no one is supposed to put out? Most likely any self-possessed woman is going to spend at least one period of her life on a whore tour and still have the t-shirt to match. Discovering different sides of your sexual self is often achieved through multiple partners, and I think sampling the variety is part of the human experience. But after you have indulged your inner whore, there comes a time to embrace your inner prude as well.
… The more you orgasm, the more oxytocin is released in your brain, which is the “bonding hormone.” Most likely, you will feel physically and physiologically attached to that guy whose penis was inside you. Go figure. Even if you think you don’t “want anything serious” you probably still wonder, question, ponder “where is this all going?” Of course, not all sex has to be about relationships, but denying the connection between emotions and sex is ignoring the complexity…That is why I am an advocate for dry humping. It honors the involvedness of sex, giving you time to actually sort out how you both feel about each other, but still leaves something to build up to. And the likelihood of you feeling like crap because a guy you wiggled around with never called is less than if he actually penetrated your panties. But if you are both attracted to each other, the dry humping session will only make you more so.
This is the thing about attraction. Because of birth control, be it medicinal or condoms, women have the freedom to sleep with men they would never procreate with. But the majority of studies indicate that baby making potential is the main facilitator of lust. From smell indicating a compatible immune system and gene pool for breeding, to pheromones, to symmetry, to signs of fertility. We are pushed by our animal instincts towards making more humans…Yet if you audition people with the dry hump, your restraint will not only benefit you, but your fellow female sisters as well. By being a little prude, you are helping the male species remember that being inside a woman’s body is actually a really big deal…Going home with someone who bought you a beer is hardly worth letting them inside your body. The harder a guy has to work to get into your pants, the better he will treat the girl wearing them. I don’t think I have ever regretted waiting to sleep with someone, but I sure as shingles have regretted sleeping with someone too soon.
Anyone who’s ever done sex work and talked to other girls or paid attention on hooker boards knows the truth of Nagy’s last point: as an older girl told me when I first started, “the less they pay, the more they want.” As I’ve discussed before, I would sometimes deal a little if the client was polite and claimed not to have $300, but the lower I went the less appreciative the client, and my standing advice for working girls is NEVER to charge less than $200 for any block of time, no matter how short; anything less than that is too close to free for most men to appreciate. My amateur sisters can learn from this; even though you don’t charge a set fee, you need to set some “price” (length of relationship, certain conditions being met, etc) and stick to it if you want the men you sleep with to actually appreciate you.
One Year Ago Today
“Marilyn” is the story of one of the first girls who worked for me, whom I still think about frequently…and rarely without tears.
The problem is that the ladies aren’t forming a well functioning cartel to drive up “prices” anymore. As a result the “price” drops. If Mary doesn’t give it(pussy) away fast enough or maybe even well enough, then Susie will.
…There’s something inside me that always….twitches…with a small but focused amount of rage when I read posts like this one. But I honestly am not quite sure what it is.
It’s because men’s contributions are downplayed by modern society. In the past most well-adjusted men didn’t care that women had the sexual power because men had lots of other kinds of power. But now women still have the sexual power, and men have been forced to share other kinds of power and are denied those things women are unable to share. Such unbalanced conditions understandably provoke anger.
Hmmm. Perhaps that is indeed part of it. I thought about it some more after I wrote it, and came up with this:
The crux of it all is the Pussy Exchange Idea.
Unless I’m misunderstanding things, which I have before, it seems that the point is that pussy is the bargaining chip, because as you’ve said, men need women way more than vice versa sexually. In this post, it is stated that women are the natural gatekeepers of sexuality.
But the idea that a woman could use that to manipulate me into a marriage…where I have now put my assets, my credit score, and my access to my children at risk…and she gets even more power and control as backed by the state…and could completely shut off the pussy at any time and *still* get all of the aforementioned benefits….just fills me with rage.
It’s clear, as you’ve said, that whores(with integrity) are some of the most honest women that are out there.
But I’m sorry if this next statement is insulting…I want sex just as much as the next guy, but the more I read/learn/experience, it just seems that it is overpriced. The cost to benefit ratio is just completely warped. Maybe I’m saying what you just said but with different wording.
As with the airline industry prior to deregulation, and the medical industry today, it’s the government intrusion into what you call the “pussy exchange” which has distorted and warped it. Men have always had to pay for a full-time woman with assets, but that woman was also a cook, housekeeper and nanny (or if they were upper-class, brought sizable dowries and sociopolitical connections to the table). It’s only been in the past few decades that American women are not expected to contribute anything at all except for a few months of “love”.
*It’s the government intrusion into what you call the “pussy exchange” which has distorted and warped it.*
I see.
*Men have always had to pay for a full-time woman with assets, but that woman was also a cook, housekeeper and nanny (or if they were upper-class, brought sizable dowries and sociopolitical connections to the table).*
That actually is very true, I see. Maybe that is at the heart of my rage…because I just can’t understand how the time it takes me to orgasm is worth what I have to pay to get it.
But if it’s a full GFE, or an asset filled wife, as you’ve described, I actually feel much better about taking care of her, because at least I’m getting something in exchange for my hard earned money.
But some moments of pleasure coupled possibly with a lot of attitude coupled with sizable asset risk on *my* part…I just can’t get excited about paying top dollar for that.
*It’s only been in the past few decades that American women are not expected to contribute anything at all except for a few months of “love”.*
Again. True.
But this game is supported these days. The golddiggers bang a famous man, milk him for all they can while dating him, possibly have a baby, and then either cry “rape” or write a tell-all book, and then hire Gloria Allred and go on The View, trying to get more money & fame. All perfectly legal.
In California, a married woman can get impregnated by another man, and still make her husband pay as the child was conceived during their marriage.
Madness.
“Maybe that is at the heart of my rage…because I just can’t understand how the time it takes me to orgasm is worth what I have to pay to get it.”
^^^ Well, of course it’s overpriced (usually) – but men are “wired” to willingly pay that price.
You just illustrated why marriage is a fool’s errand these days for men. You either learn to seduce women or you pay for prostitutes or you do without. Few are interested in changing the system or thinking because of the brainwashing that cultural marxism, socialism, bastardized Puritianism, neo-Victorianism, rabid neofeminism, misinterpreting religion especially Christianity and the over pedetaliszation of women and denigration of men is a good thing.
Men aren’t interested in changing it because even the beta and to a lesser extent omega men of today get more variety and number of women to sleep with than in previous generations while the Alpha men are swimming in more women to have sex with than they know what to do with. What men never realize is that Beta and omega men will spend long period of time being involuntarily celibate unlike previous generations who had to get married to get laid and who had the right to demand sex or at least not be accused of rape for demanding sex. from their wives. The less brutal man who had money would visit prostitutes if he needed sex, and prostitution was less villified than now. Alpha men can simply change one woman for the next and are less restrained today than in the past. Most men think they can win the lottery and be an Alpha with women or that it’s ok to be abused by the government and their former and present wives Most never realize that they will never be the Alpha and that the government and ruling elite are more anti-male than they origionally thought until too late.
As for women, the job or if failing that the welfare state will protect them as long as the money is there so they can price their pussy as high as they want because the government is giving them every reason to inflate the price. Women can easily sleep with better men than themselves, and get the sex they want more often and not have to pay for it or work for it unlike men. Slut shaming has gone down to make this easier. Once the government is unable to pay and maintain order the price of pussy will go down. At the rate we’re going this will happen. However, the price of commitment which is what women really want especially as they get older and they realize that their old selves aren’t nearly as desirable as their young selves. The price of getting commitment has been raised from men as women have made the cost of marriage go up for men and the ease of getting pussy from “regular” women go down. Legalizing prostitution would make the price “regular” women have to pay for commitment from men go up even further. Happiness as measured by social scientists has gone up for men and down for women in the past 50 years on average.
As long as you learn to overcome your desire for a wife and children, and minimize your risk for getting married, impregnating women and sexual harrassment accusations, you minimize your risk considerably. You can still be caught in a trap and figuratively or litterally pummelled though. It’s normal to want to be married and have children, but the governement and our ruling elite have made this extremely difficult to do. It’s a foolish mistake because family is the basic building block of society and healthy families make healthy societies. Women are just as evil as men, no more and no less, although their expression of evil is often different from men. The problem is men are much more likely these days to pay for his own sins as her sins. Nature will restore the balance and the pendulum will swing wildly away from where it is now before it evens out. The collapse is coming because of what our ruling elite and government have wrought.
I think you are over thinking sex too much brother. Seduction is a part of the process. The “hunt” is a part of the thrill.
There’s a lot to be cynical about, because we still live in a wild and untamed world … but, honestly … as a guy …
– I don’t run around in fear of some woman accusing me of sexual harassment.
– I don’t worry about impregnating women other than my wife … there are ways to prevent that.
– I don’t worry about the government being “anti-male”.
Some of the stuff you’re angry about is temporal stuff anyway. For instance, when this nation comes under a clear and direct threat from the outside – it won’t be considered a “sin” to teach little boys how to defend themselves and others. I assure you – having spent a lot of time making “friends” in the Islamic Middle East – their definitions of male and female are quite distinct – if a bit brutal.
There’s a natural law at play here …
“men are men and women are women”
When society tries to stray for that – it’s like stretching a rubber band … you pull and pull and it gets harder until you give up and it returns to shape.
I mean – men can’t fight nature. This is why most young women seem to reject the neofeminists these days. There’s a natural “force” within them that they know is totally unsupported by the neofeminist theories.
I like what Chesty Puller said …
“Our Country won’t go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won’t
be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our
women and breed a hardier race!”
What he’s describing there is kind of comforting. There’s a natural order, and if you try to ignore it – or if you refuse to play the game in keeping up with it – then, no worries – mother nature comes along and makes it her way anyway.
May as well play by her rules from the start! 😛
@ Krulac
I’m not angry, just stating my well founded opinion off the evidence in front of us. I’m not overly worried about sexual harrassment.either nor impregnating women because I too take sensible precautions not over the top precautions. Life is mostly good. There has been good and bad changes over the past 50 years. Learning how to live within it and use it to your or my advantage helps. Divorce is harsh on both men and women, but it can be and often is harder on men because of the way the laws are and the manner in which they are enforced and Child support is even more so. I just offer the advice to men not to marry, to use condoms to prevent pregnancy and venereal disease, try to seduce women into either long term or short term relationships, and if they can not seduce women to hire prostitutes where legal and to not get caught with prostitutes where illegal to increase men’s happiness and well being. Even if you, a man, are good at seducing women, you may still want to hire prostitutes because it may be advantagous to do so. Even if you If you find yourself married, be a good spouse, man or woman, If you are a parent be a good parent and let the other parent be a good parent too. Above all, enjoy life!
Do a Google search on “misandry bubble” and check out the horsemen. The VR girls of 2020 will be the biggest of them. Robogirls of 2030 will further improve on this women substitute experience. Men will be able to get all the love(simulated), romance, sex, companionship from robogirls. Women will get to be with roboguys. No one will be “oppressing” the other as humans will be with robots who will do whatever you want as long as no one is harmed.(laws of robotics)
Lots of men will like that, but not many women will; I can think of nothing more boring and sexually unappealing than the idea of having sex with a machine which doesn’t know or care that I exist. Any woman who wants that can just use a vibrator which is cheaper, has fewer parts to fail and is much easier to hide.
Me and my MRA friends wonder what will women do when a majority of men want nothing to do with human women and are enjoying their VR and robogirls. I know that a robogirl “doesn’t know or care that I exist” but I also know human women view men the same way. Seems that human women only want a man for his money, something roboguys lack. A robogirl will be vastly cheaper and safer to be with and she will be insanely beautiful, smart(AI) and loyal(simulated love). You may be surprised when I say I don’t care for the sex, I want a loving and traditional relationship and a robogirl can clean, cook and be my companion. Human women find “nice guys” like me boring and on top of that, I can’t and won’t support human women.
In other words, “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” As long as people keep spouting the same extreme rhetoric and living in their little fantasy bubbles which ignore Nature, society will continue to be off-balance. Waiting for an imaginary sex-segregated future is exactly what the neofeminists have been doing for over 30 years, and it’s no more sane and reasonable when MRAs advocate it than it is when neofeminists do.
I am part of the MGTOW movement, we have no choice but to avoid women in order to protect ourselves. Feminism turned women against men and men are now responding by avoiding women. Women’s claims of not needing men are becoming true. Yes, it may be “insane” to wish for VR and robogirls, but men are now pouring billions into such technology now that women have priced themselves out and have contempt for men. Women substitutes promise to offer men a loving, traditional relationship which human women are no longer able to do.
1. What is the MGTOW movement?
2. Bullshit that robot pussy will ever replace real pussy.
3. *Some* women still believe in traditional relationships, just may not be as many of them.
1. MGTOW means men are giving up on women and society and living their own lives. Feminism destroyed all that and men must avoid women to protect themselves, especially under current laws that treat men as criminals.
2. I won’t argue with you there, we can agree to disagree, but I stand behind my predictions. But anyway, I am not interested in pussy. I just want a traditional relationship and I am placing my bets on computer AI to deliver. Let’s wait 10-20 years and time will tell, ok?
3. Understood, but the way laws are written, heterosexuality is practically criminalized. All those feminist laws must be repealed and even then, many men will be too jaded to trust women again. Feminism really did destroy 2-3 generations of heteronormative human relationships and I agree that’s tragic.
I’m sorry, his crosses me as wishful thinking. Men want sex but that’s not the *only* thing they want. Human beings crave human contact. Happiness levels are determined not as much by wealth as they are by free time to be with people we love. Men also want intimacy and affection. And a huge amount of a man’s sexual response is giving his partner pleasure and provoking her desire.
We hear similar things all the time about porn — that it gives men unrealistic images of women and sex and destroys their desire for women. That’s turned out to be a complete load of manure.
It also suspect the Futurist errs — as almost everyone who tries to predict the future does — in assuming that humans won’t adapt to new realities. The “misandry bubble” has supposedly been just around the corner since Huxley’s time. It somehow never seems to get here.
The idea that VR or robogirls will displace women crosses me as the argument, decades ago, that allowing women to work would abolish marriage and sex as women wouldn’t need men any more. And yet marriage and sex remain as popular as ever.
The rumors of intimacy’s death have been greatly exaggerated.
Not all men want sex, I for one don’t. I do want contact with humans, but feminists have brainwashed women to hate on men so we have no choice but to avoid human women. As for porn, I have no interest in that. My virtual reality girl of 2020 will be a beautiful, intelligent, traditional woman, something human women used to be before feminism destroyed that. The misandry bubble is very real and will burst by 2020, he explains why. Marriage is already dead and on it’s way out as more and more men wake up to the fact marriage is oppression and wage slavery for men. VR and robogirls will compete with human women in all departments, including the sex department. A robogirl is insanely beautiful and offers “safe” sex without the risk of STDs, pregnancy(meal ticket for the single mom), false rape, etc.
Let me ammend what I said in the commentary above. Although sex outside of marriage is considered wrong in my faith of Christianity and Catholicism in particular which I beleive too, I also believe in harm reduction. Catholicism also states that both men and women must mutually agree to absatain from sex, for it to be ok, but if the woman wants sex, the husband must give it to her, and if the man wants sex, the wife must give it to him in marriage which I also believe is the right thing to do. Since marriage these days is such a bad deal for men and seducing women is an easier option than in the past and prostitution with no arrests and criminal convictions will cause less emotional stress on a man than marriage or maybe even engaging in seducing women, then the better thing to do is either seduce women into sex or have sex with prostitutes. Seducing women into sex especially if one is not honest in his intentions may cause more harm to women than having sex with prostitutes. I realize that not all men will be able to refrain from looking at pornography,masturbation and having sex with women. Since marriage has been made into a bad deal for men unless they truly feel that they have a true calling from God to be both a husband and a father, I highly suggest agaisnt it if you do not have this calling. Since raising a child in a single parent home is a very bad idea as well as catching & giving venereal diseases is also a bad idea, I suggest that the men wear condoms and the women use the birth control pill or another contraceptive if not married. A man can get a higher notch count and more variety today than in previous generations which most men do. Marriage for men is a worse deal for more men now than in the past. Marriage today is just as good of a deal for women now if not a better deal now than it was in the past. I’m 99% sure I will never marry, and a woman would need to truly convince me she is worthy of marriage. .
Marriage is dead, but beware of a woman pretending to be “not like that” in order to trick you into marriage. This has happened to countless other men. As long as marriage 2.0 laws benefit only women, no sane man should marry, period. As for the sex, wait for VR girls of 2020, this will give you safe sex.
I agree that true marriage(marriage prior to 1965) is dead because our ruling elite and government killed it, and majority of the population went along with the killing. No Fault Divorce killed marriage. If they wanted No Fault divorce, then the person who filed first in no fault divorce should lose the house and children and get ready to make child support payments. If the couple filed jointly in no fault divorce, then all arrangemts should have been made prior to the date of filing. Even for the religous men who feel the call to marry should realize that their marriage could fall apart. No man could ever 100% say he will never do this or that including marry, because the march of time might prove him otherwise.
Men can have “safe” sex (in the sense you mean) right now with escorts rather than waiting for an unknown length of time to masturbate with a computer.
I don’t see marriage laws changing much, marriage will simply be phased out. We don’t want the government to get it’s hands in our private lives anyway. Those who are religious can get married in a church without the government sticking it’s nose in private relations.
The only “safe” sex other than abstinence is masturbation and sex toys(including VR and robogirls in the future). I can’t even begin to tell you how many men(and even some women) have been harmed by human-human sex, no condom works 100% of the time and I’ve known this since I was little.
>How many people’s mouths would you stick your finger in? A lot. I would stick my finger in a lot of people’s mouths. But how many people would you let stick their finger in your mouth? Not as many! There is a biological difference between the way women and men experience sex
Now this. Maybe there is something to that. More than once I’ve been asked by non-sex worker women “How could you do that? Just any strange man? I couldn’t.”
Well, it wasn’t just any strange man, but maybe somewhere there there is a difference in the way whores think versus non whore women.
There’s a lot of really weird stuff on here currently. Robo-women? Really? Why? Sorry, I just don’t get that at all.
I wouldn’t be interested in RoboWomen, but I can partially answer why…
it’s because men are tired.
A RoboWoman won’t cry rape.
A RoboWoman won’t pester you to get married.
A RoboWoman won’t freak out if you fuck another RoboWoman.
A RoboWoman won’t leave you because you don’t want to talk today, or because the gardener has better genes or whatever.
Once you pay the initial price for a RoboWoman, there’s only the cost of maintenance, not hundreds of dollars every time you want to do the horizontal hula.
When I masturbate, I know what I’m doing and can’t surprise myself. A RoboWoman could surprise me.
I’m not saying that I personally want a RoboWoman instead of a HumanWoman, but I can understand the attraction.
For me her argument falls at the first hurdle. I wouldn’t stick my finger into anyone’s mouth who I wouldn’t let stick their finger in mine. Actually, the idea that I should be more willing to do the former than the latter strikes me as utterly bizarre. Is that weird of me?
Unusual maybe, but hardly weird. But even if it is weird, so what? Everyone worth knowing is weird in one way or another. 😉
I admit it, sometimes I do feel very sorry for men. In so many ways you get the short end of the stick.
Not allowed to express emotion, constant competition, rigid gender roles enforced by society. And sexually? You’ve got all this sexual desire, and ability wise? Eh, not so much. In that regard, you’re definitely more sprinters than marathon runners.
On the other hand, you get the money, respect and power.
As for whinging about relationships with women, do you really think it’s ideal from our point of view? Most women I’ve met try to keep themselves up physically, even while aging, more than most men. Women are usually willing to try to work on a relationship.
I’ll second Maggie on this one, I can’t imagine ever being interested in a Robo-man. I suspect it’s like the “straight male hooker for women” concept, people will go broke trying it.
Precisely.
Please help the men free themselves from oppression by women by starting your own men’s right’s blog. Many of us don’t even have money, it was stolen by the state with women being the “middleman”. We also don’t have respect nor power, the elites took that away from us. Western society is dying because of the massive corruption.
If women feel that it’s too much work to be in a relationship with men, they are more than welcome to avoid men just as millions of men are already avoiding women. Men will have their own VR and robogirls, women can partake in VR and roboguys(or form lesbian relationships). Then women can stop complaining about men trying to “oppress” or “control” women. Trust me, we have no intention of trying to put women in their place, the proof being is that millions of men are avoiding women and letting women live their lives, we just want to live our lives too. Both men and women will be free to simply be themselves in virtual relationships with computer AI.
Somehow, I doubt a society built entirely on masturbation can survive. And IMHO, such a society would deserve to die. 🙁
Western society is already dying and on it’s way out, you got that correct. Men are giving up on women(including me) and society and going their own way to live their lives.
Hey Maggie. Possible feed for a future post and somewhat related to this one is this story (http://tinyurl.com/3pent4y) about our Justice Department trying to force colleges to install kangaroo courts for charges of sexual misconduct. They even deconstruct the “1 in 5 women has been sexually assaulted” claim.
Fortunately, our essential human nature is pushing back. But with neofeminists attempting to close off almost all sexual contact — either with amateurs or professionals — this could ge ugly.
Thanks, Mike; I read that on The Agitator this morning and I’ll definitely do a column on it next week. There’s a simple solution, though of course neofeminists will oppose it because it would limit their ability to persecute men: return to single-sex education. Voila, no more campus sexual assaults or “discrimination” bullshit.
I don’t know about college, but high schools would be great for that. My wife and her siblings went to sex-segregated schools and thrived. Some school reforms have aimed at that with notable success. I don’t think it would work in higher ed since we have universities with 10’s of thousand of students and multi-million-dollar facilities — particle accelerators, telescopes, genetic labs — that would be imposible to duplicate. You’d mostly just move the Title IX wars to an institutional level.
Google “education bubble” the future of education is learning for free on the internet on your own terms.
Access to the opposite sex is the only thing that makes high school bearable for many students, and you want to take that away, too? Why the hell shouldn’t the kids just drop out?
Oh, please; school is for learning, not playing footsie. Every study shows that kids in single-gender high schools do markedly better, and for guys at least that’s likely to help them with girls in the future.
I feel a need to re-enforce MikeS, and speak up for the boring middle of the bell curve (at least within my economic class–more on that later) that I happen to inhabit.
I am enjoy wrestling with Maggie’s ideas because her experiences give her a perspective far removed from my own from which to think about things, and she’s blessed with a rare sharp mind with which to think. Her ideas challenge me to evaluate my own received wisdom from a new perspective.
But perhaps we in Maggie’s peanut gallery should remember that we are often exploring the tails of the bell curve in these conversations, not the middle.
I’m in my mid 40s (exactly Maggie’s age in fact) and college educated, and I would say marriage in my generation and demographic is doing fine. We benefited in perverse ways from being kids of the 70s–as kids, we got to grow up amidst the wreckage left behind by the high tide of the sexual revolution, and that left many of us very conservative about making deep commitments. When we committed to marriage, it was often later in life and for keeps–my wife and I joke that we just skipped our first marriages and went straight to the second.
Yes, my marriage and those of people I know often deviates from the pre-60s roles–dual careers, women making more than men, coop child rearing and housework. But we muddle through. I don’t know any man who feels tricked or manipulated into his marriage, nor would I trade in my partner, best friend and wife for all the tea in China. Certainly she gives to me a lot more than “anything at all except for a few months of “love”.” It would be a boring relationship to read about but its a good one to have and hold. As MikeS says, “rumors of intimacy’s death have been greatly exaggerated.”
On a lot of these issues, I am of the sense that bad things are bad for both sexes without any need to keep score. To go back to divorce, again, as kids my generation saw plenty of wreckage all around, all losers, no winners. I am not saying divorce is not often the best possible solution, but its also usually just the least bad one for all concerned with neither sex nor their offspring coming off unscathed.
I’m much more interested in class than gender differences on these points. As I understand the census data, marriage is going fine as a broad statistical generalization among the college educated and the blue staters, faltering among the HS educated and some of the red states, and has hit rock bottom among urban African America. We are indeed two countries–but it’s not male and female, its the rich (or top 10%) and everyone else. Perhaps 1. money and 2. high social capital are the solvents that allow prosperous couples to overcome the stresses on marriage, and lack of them the factor that leaves marriage floundering among the majority of Americans.
Well, your comments basically support every statement/argument that Maggie’s ever made.
If females can find the security that they want…financial, social status, and emotional…most of the time, they are more than happy to please their husbands sexually and do their share of the domestic work.
And any man that’s mature enough to appreciate all of that, why would he throw it away?
Or, as my father used to say, “Romance without finance is a nuisance.”
It is not men’s jobs(anymore) to support women. They chose careers and destroyed marriage. I can cook and clean after myself fine, thank you. Women were “told” that being a housewife is “oppressive”, well we have no intention to “oppress” you. Enjoy your careers, earn your own money and support yourselves.
“It is not men’s jobs(anymore) to support women. They chose careers and destroyed marriage. I can cook and clean after myself fine, thank you. Women were “told” that being a housewife is “oppressive”, well we have no intention to “oppress” you. Enjoy your careers, earn your own money and support yourselves.”
I agree with all of that.
I meant, that for women that still *want* to go the traditional route, the old rules still apply.
First the laws would have to be changed back to the way they were before feminism. Second of all, many men will be too jaded to trust women again after being screwed over.
The problem with feminism is that its a hate cult. It teachs young girls to hate what men have, who they are, and how they magically “oppress” women. All it is, is a overused excuse to rebel against the husbands that protect and provide for them in favor of doing it on there own. In doing so, they altered the laws of the land to favor them. Infact, women are only loyal to there options, not there men, atleast post-feminism.
Marriage will continue to decline as long as women thinking being sluta is awesome, drinking overnight with the friends killing your cells with alcohol in the name of fun is a good thing, having orgies with whoever you want which lead to pregnancies, and men having 0 benifiet in marriage will all lead to its decline.
Men want virtious women who are only whores for them. Someone to clean and cook while they go do the hard labor. Men want this because it makes them feel like a man. Instead, women said screw you, I don’t need you, I can do it on my own! And thus.. have strongly lead the leading charge to the ulitmate collaspe of the West.
When will men get back with girls and marriage? When women stop taking every favor, every advantage, and put down the bottles of beer, put down the orgies, and throw up chasity.
But thats only a fools dream. These women will eventually be destroyed, and no man will come and save a whore. They will be as they demanded.. “on there own”. And they only have themselves to blame.
“No man will come and save a whore”? I beg to differ; one of our biggest annoyances is men who want to “save” us. Perhaps you’re using the word “whore” to mean “slut”, which might fly in the amateur world but is rather confusing on this site, where about 80% of the female commenters are genuine, bona fide prostitutes.
Thanks for speaking the truth. You will understand why I am looking forward to VR and robogirls to give me and other men a traditional relationship. Read my other comments above that I left for others.
Some of these comments make my brain hurt.
Mine as well; I’m really fighting the urge to start deleting. 🙁
I had found your blog from a link when you talked about robots and talked about the evils of feminism. I understand you disagree with my robogirl predictions, but I stand behind my predictions. I won’t keep repeating them on your blog as I’ve already made my point. One thing we can both agree with is that feminism is modern day evil and it will soon go away and into the history books. I also commented above on all the damages feminism had done and that men are getting real tired of all this, many of them giving up on women(including me) and learning to enjoy life on their own. If you are curious to know more about me, feel free to ask questions. Also what can I and others discuss on your blog? Do we get the freedom to speak our minds? We don’t wish to offend any of you.
It’s not “what”, it’s “how much”. I don’t like to censor commenters, but hijacking a thread is pretty rude.
Another reformed slut. How boring and unoriginal. I gave it up for free to others but now I want you to work for it, now that I am older and less attractive. Ignore a manipulative delusional women like that. Shes a feminist alright, selfish and delusional about her self worth.
Wow, just wow.
I’ll never want a “relationship” (As if that were possible) with a roboman. Why? Because I want a partner with his own mind, and goals. Sure, sometimes we will disagree, but I want no slaves in my life. I don’t want some thing that will do whatever I tell it. I never want to be a slave boss.
As for feminism being awful, at one time in this nation, a woman lost everything upon divorce. Is she brought money or property to a marriage (in the places where women could actually own property) the man kept it, along with the kids and houses, upon divorce. So women stayed in loveless, often brutal marriages, rather than lose their children. We were without rights, we couldn’t vote, couldn’t move freely as adults.
Many religion-ridden middle eastern nations are still like that.
Sure, some feminists have gone off on a tangent of hating sex. But if there were no feminism, those women would be some other sort of moral crusader, just as anti-sex. The victories of feminism have made women into whole people, and into better partners for me. You should appreciate that.
Thank you.
but I want no slaves in my life.
No even for a couple of hours once or twice a month?
We need to put our collective fingers on the pendulum from both sides and push it into sensible balance, and then let it rest there.
Right now, there’s pushing and shoving and discord.
Let’s get back to:
1) letting Nature and common sense guide us, and
2) stop taking the piss out of each other
❤✌
See, this right here is my issue with how people in a judeo-christian environment view other religions.
Sure, the middle east is no paradise, but it’s not the abysmal hot hell ya’ll make it out to be. Medieval developments aside, Islam at least is pro-woman de jure if not de facto. Islamic marriage for instance is inherently a pre-nup, the sanctioning of a marriage being dependant on both parties agreeing upon the mehr . Christians say “I do” to the question of whether they promise to love, honour and cherish; Muslims say “Qubool” or “Agreed” to a pre-determined alimony in case of divorce or death of the husband. So the woman or her family does actually have a chance to dictate the price of her pussy. She just can’t change it later or factor in inflation coz the ancient arabs didn’t know about that.
I’ve finally figured out what was bugging about your take on A Renegade’s History. Thaddus Russell never said most of the important rights were won by whores, he said that whores pioneered most of the freedoms taken for granted.
He never singled out whores as being more deserving of credit than any other of his “Renegades”, certainly not to the point where they could be said to have “won” any of these rights.
And he was talking about how these renegades changed social norms, and never argued that that was as equally as important as political rights like the right to vote and own property.