“My dear Watson,” said he, “I cannot agree with those who rank modesty among the virtues. To the logician all things should be seen exactly as they are, and to underestimate one’s self is as much a departure from truth as to exaggerate one’s own powers.” – Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, “The Adventure of the Greek Interpreter”
I’m not an egotistical person; I know I have lots of faults. But neither am I delusional; I know that I’m relatively bright, have a good memory and that my personality is unusually dynamic. Because of these factors it’s very, very difficult to win an argument with me; I have a tendency to steamroll anyone who tries. I don’t start arguments, but by Athena I sure finish them. This is the most important reason I refused to get involved with any man after Jack until I could be sure he was A) uninterested in starting arguments; and B) could hold his own against me if one started despite our best efforts. Dr. Helena once asked me what kind of man I wanted, and I replied, “One who can say ‘SHUT UP, MAGGIE!’ if necessary, and make it stick.”
Now, though many of my readers probably guessed all that, random people who haven’t (or won’t) read my essays may not. If they’re laboring under prohibitionist delusions about whores being pathetic, weak, damaged women who can’t stand up for themselves (which, as anyone who’s ever spent any time on a hooker board knows, is about as far from the truth as it’s possible to get), they might expect me to retreat from forceful confrontation by well-adjusted prudes like themselves. This occasionally brings on attack via Revealed Truth about the evils of sex work or “trafficking”; when it’s in the comments here I usually just employ my screening process so as to avoid subjecting my readers either to annoyance or to the unlovely sight of my eviscerating someone with my Medusan agony blade (figuratively speaking, of course).
On Twitter, however, it’s different; I was ingrained from a young age with the principle that it’s rude to ignore people, so when I’m in what I perceive as a public space (rather than my “home” here) I find it difficult to simply ignore drive-by comments directed at me. Since I hate arguments I start out politely and often finish the same way; sometimes the commenter reveals himself to be a troll or buffoon and I can excuse myself in good conscience within a few “tweets”. But other times I am confronted with someone who seems to imagine herself (and it’s nearly always a “her”) some sort of crusader going into battle against the great Sphinx, and to believe that I will surely flee from the light of Divine Wisdom as revealed to her by the Holy Polaris Project or the Prophet Melissa. But since I refuse to take anything on faith or to accept arguments from authority, and they never have any actual facts, they enter these battles of wits only half-armed at best. I still start out polite, but as they continue to reply with nothing other than the equivalents of “nuh uh,” “sez you,” “my mommy says so” or “you’re going to make Baby Jesus cry,” I tend to get a lot more ruthless.
Here’s a recent example, an argument with a proponent of increased regulation of the Amsterdam sex industry; I’ve combined my 140-character replies together and eliminated a few tangential interchanges. The first was my reply to her statement that she had nothing against sex workers who worked by choice, but that draconian measures were needed to prevent coercion:
Huge fractions of the human race are coerced every day. What about lawsuit threats? What about psychological manipulation of family members? Threats issued by creditors? Threats of complaints by neighbors? And governments are the worst “coercers” of all; what are laws backed by threat if not coercion? These things are ALL coercion. To pretend that it’s somehow magically different when a woman is a sex worker is disingenuous.
She then asked why I was opposed to anti-trafficking laws, and I replied:
The whole “trafficking” paradigm is flawed, as pointed out by @LauraAgustin and many others. People cross borders to work; labeling them as “trafficked” (i.e. passive objects of cargo) denies them agency and imposes a simplistic model on a complex human interaction. If “authorities” want to end exploitation of migrants they need to STOP pretending these people are helpless children and reform immigration laws, requirements for work visas, labor rights, etc. Criminalization of immigrants only enables exploitation. In all forms of labor INCLUDING sex work, only rights can stop the wrongs.
She then made a comment that criminalization deters “trafficking”, followed by a snide comment about how she thought it was “hilarious” that American sex workers “think you know better than Dutch police and officials”; my reply:
Criminalization isn’t EVER a solution. And sexworkers DO know our own subject better than cops and politicians in ANY country.
Her reply (verbatim and sic):
no, you dont know better than cops especially and politicians in any country, thats delusion of grandeur, seriously.
As you might imagine, such abject badge-licking ticked me off:
Yes, I DO know better than cops & politicians IN MY OWN FIELD. Drs know better than them in medicine, engineers know better than them in engineering, teachers know better than them in teaching, etc. Cops and politicians are not gods, nor even superior beings. To imagine they are is not only delusional, but dangerous to the liberty & rights of everyone.
After a pause she replied that it was “disturbing” that I “deny sex trafficking”; the accusation had the tone of an accusation of blasphemy. My final reply:
“True Believers” usually do consider it “disturbing” when their beliefs are questioned. People who care about truth aren’t afraid of questions; only those with need to believe myths are. Just because there are presents under your tree does NOT mean they were left there by Santa Claus. The fact that some phenomenon exists in some way does NOT prove any and all “explanations” presented for it. The fact that some people are abused or coerced does NOT automatically mean the entire “sex trafficking by international criminal cartels with millions of victims” paradigm must be true. There are other explanations; those who reject them embrace a religion, not science.
That pissed her off so much she finally stopped replying and blocked me, obviously so my heretical words could no longer sear the purity of her eyeballs. But I wasn’t done for the day yet; oh, no! Just a few hours later well-known prohibitionist mouthpiece Stella Marr decided to address me directly, which is pretty brave for her; usually she prefers to skulk about in places she doesn’t think I’ll read, calling me a “pimp” (like Donna Hughes, she uses the word to mean any sex work manager or agent of either gender). On this particular occasion Stella started by calling me a “liar” for my column “The Odor of Socks”; at first I tried to take the high road, telling her how she could modify her behavior so as not to alienate sex worker rights advocates. But she just kept replying to nearly everything I said by calling me a “liar”, “bully” or “pimp” until I got her into a corner by responding to her Swedish Model cheerleading (“It is not tyranny, Scandinavia is the most civilized part of the world, with the most sexual freedom stop #lying”) by linking to that morning’s column, “The Swedish Cult”, and to the item about Sweden trying to force men to pee sitting down. Faced with points she couldn’t refute she claimed I was making her feel “threatened” because I was a madam, and asked me to please stop replying. I told her I’d stop replying if she did, but she just kept it up, apparently assuming I’d eventually give in to her repeated requests that I stop replying first. Eventually, she realized I wouldn’t relent, but it had gotten quite ugly by that point.
Though the general consensus was that I was more than sufficiently provoked to justify my reaction, I’m still not proud of myself for letting her get me that upset; usually I can stay cool and rational even when badly provoked. But I guess there’s just something especially infuriating about a halfwit having the nerve to attack someone completely out of her intellectual weight class, responding to all my attacks with the rhetorical equivalent of flailing arms and then expecting me to back down when she eventually realizes she’s in way over her head.
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So… who’s Stella Marr, then? Huh? Huh?
I’m sure I’m not the only one just BURSTING to find out!
I agree with the many that you came off better in the twitter relay with her. It feels cheap, I know, but sometimes going back at every. single. thing. is the only way to deal with these people.
I saw the comment “you dont know better than cops especially and politicians in any country, thats delusion of grandeur, seriously.” on your feed and I just… well. After I wiped the tea from my screen and pushed my lower jaw back up, I just sat there shaking my head. I guess spending time researching areas of interest from all angles and being drawn to people who are prepared to debate with reason sometimes makes me forget that there really are people out there who believe that ‘authority’ makes a person godly and infallible and that an anecdote equates evidence. Then I read something like that and it all comes flooding back. Orwellian sycophants. Gotta love ’em.
As it turns out, someone spilled the beans on Stella’s real identity to a number of activists (including yours truly) on Tuesday afternoon. We’ve decided not to reveal it if she will publicly apologize and admit to her lies; Norma Jean Almodovar has already written her demanding said reply and received a rather frantic response. I’ll tell the whole story Monday; I want to give Stella a few days before deciding exactly how (and with how much information) to break it. But in the meantime, here’s a picture of her with (what else?) a creative writing group: Stella is the second from the left.
Well, you have certainly crossed the Rubicon here. I hope you know where this is going.
Is that Elena Kagan in the center? Holy Shit!
My immediate reaction was … of course, she’s a blonde. 🙁
Second reaction was – hmmm, can’t see much but she’s certainly the most attractive person in that group!
Then the male portion of my mind stepped to the side to analyze the consequences of this.
Firstly – I hope everyone has their ducks in a row on this because “outing” someone is serious business and, in this case it’s warranted, but if this isn’t Stella Marr than there’ll be hell to pay in the reputations of some pretty important people on our side. But – I’m betting that Maggie McNeil wouldn’t jump on a snake with both hands unless she were sure.
Second – if this is the real Stella Marr then the trafficking skeermeisters will be out to find the identities of people like you, Maggie. I don’t know – a certain part of me says you’ve paid your dues and are deserving of your life with your hubby on the ranch there. If you’re “outed” that’ll all be turned upside down. But – I’m betting that Maggie McNeil wouldn’t jump on this snake with both hands unless she were prepared to deal with the circumstances of that.
This is pro baseball here – not the rookie leagues so be careful and give ’em hell!
Maggie, how in the hell can you write columns for this blog, then turn around and deal with idiots on Twitter all day? You know, when I was watching the news all the time my wife and kids told me I was becoming a bitch – because I’d constantly talk about politics to the exclusion of anything else. I don’t know how how you can stay steeped in all this mess and maintain a balanced lifestyle.
Anyway – yeah, I’m on Twitter – and I think I’m following a handful of people – Maggie McNeil, Ted Nugent, and Spartacus … LOL – I hardly check it. Twitter just flies right over my head.
Good Luck – if this is really Stella Marr, then she deserves to be outed if it can be proven that her stories are false. I don’t have any doubt that they are false based on what I’ve read but I do allow for the possibility of a lighting strike.
Just be careful!
Don’t worry, the intel is good; I have a screencap of a page on which she stupidly listed both real and fake online personas. Also, she’s admitted to Norma Jean that the info is correct, and I’m only guarding Norma’s flank on this one.
Well, you are going to be “outed” soon if you keep doing goofy shit like this … this IS you at 1:43 in the video – the girl who charges across the screen in the white dress? 😀
The connection between the red umbrella and red solo cup was almost TOO strong to ignore – but when I saw the light saber – there suddenly was NO doubt!!
Stella Marr.
Is that the woman that the movie was made of ?
Another question : Do you have any posts on what’s gone wrong in relationships nowadays ? And do you have posts on how women should seduce men ? Thanks for any help.
” Do you have any posts on what’s gone wrong in relationships nowadays ?”
Perhaps you mean that great fathers and husbands like me can have our wives commit the crimes of perjury, kidnapping, extortion, theft and child abuse. The woman can win 95% of property despite refusing to work for 14 years of an 18 year marriage, despite the man paying for and raising two step children, despite the man renovating two houses which was the bulk of the financial asset.
And when said men “complains” that he has been criminally victimised virtually ALL PEOPLE HATE ON HIM. EVEN HIS OWN FATHER.
So said man spends FOUR YEARS demanding his path to just and for his wife to stand trial for her PERJURY, kidnapping, extortion, theft and child abuse and he is UNIVERSALLY HATED ON FOR DEMANDING JUSTICE IN THE WEST…
So..said man relocates to a country that knows about tyranny, Germany, where he is given the respect he has earned and is able to date lovely women who denounce his ex and the CRIMINAL SHE IS.
You mean THAT kind of thing going wrong with “relationships”?
In my case it is not that my wife is a criminal that is the issue. It is that 99.9% of western women and 99% of western men CONDONE THESE CRIMES.
My case is before ALL members of both houses in BOTH the Australian and Irish Parliaments and NOT ONE dissenting voice can be heard. ALL of them condone and support the CRIMINAL WOMAN over the honest man of honour and integrity.
If women want honest men of honour and integrity to marry, which they do NOT, then they would be well advised to offer them the protection of the law when they are criminally victimised by women.
I’m soooooooo gonna get married now … you convinced me … I don’t know how you did it … all my doubts are swept away …
I’m glad you’re out there, Maggie. I lack the “dynamic personality” to do battle with these twits, even when I know what’s what. It’s a good thing you’re doing it.
what annoys me most of all is that people are so obsessed with sex trafficking that they ignore the industries with the largest rates of human traficking and exploitation,especially child exploitation.my italian shoes say ”made in taiwan”,which of course is because the companies are looking for cheap ”human capital”.(thats how the lovely capitalist bosses that every woman is ought to work for,using her mind,otherwise shes ”a sex object”,call us).that might mean that my shoes were made by a slave,by a child who is either a slave or completely desperate for money and will die young as a result of that kind of hard labour but they sure as hell were made by someone who works under inhuman conditions to make almost nothing.yet,the media and politicians dont highlight theese industries that write in big letters in the bottom of their products”i exploit people in the worst humanly conceivable way”,because they often have interests in them,alliances with them?who would challenge Steve Jobs for the apple sweatshops or the president of nike,vans… the list is practically endless?many politicians like Rumsfeld or Schauble are weapon sellers,the industry with some of the highest rates in human trafficking,not to mention undebetably immoral nontheless,yet everyone shuts up.still,the media is full of insanely large rates of sex trafficking ,when a sex worker challenges them they shut her and call her a liar and promotes criminalization and the shaming of clients.if we should shame clients for the existence of sex trafficking and punish them with fines,like in Sweden,then all of us who buy the products of the big multinational companies should go to jail.
Steve Jobs was a big prohibitionist of pornography, you know.
How’d that turn out?
When it comes to porn, we’re already living in a post-scarcity society.
“Slave labor” is as much a myth as sex trafficking. Get off your high horse.
All of the countries that bootstrapped themselves from poor to rich in the 20th century (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, India) began by accepting the role of “cheap labor” — jobs which of course paid better than any other opportunities those people had at tht time.
I’m willing to bet that the person who said that you suffer delusions of grandeur doesn’t even realize that she’s a textbook example of an authoritarian. I’d even be willing to bet that she would probably claim to be a ‘liberal’ of some sort, and would claim that she fights against authoritarians. Sort of a “Fight the status quo! and also believe and obey authority!” cognitive dissonance thing goin on.
Speaking of trafficking hysteria, I just happened upon this casting call for a film called “Madonna Salvation” being made in Ireland.
http://www.starnow.ie/Casting-Calls/Actors-wanted/Short-film/madonna_salvation_film_casting.htm
Apparently, “The theme of the film sadly reflects the reality of the current Irish situation outline by the Immigrant council of ireland and ruhama, that people are trafficked into Ireland for sexual exploitations.”
Should check out the requirements for the roles – eg:
THE PIMP
tough looking , muscles , mean , aggressive
Males, aged 25 to 35 from Dublin Region, Ireland
*insert eye roll here*
Heh, just once I’d like to see a portrayal of a “pimp” where he’s getting bossed around by the prostitute because she is the dominant partner in the relationship. That’s a surprisingly common variation of the relationship that I never see portrayed anywhere.
Nah mate, the pimp is *always* a dirty, sweaty brown-skinned person of foreign descent.
I’d imagine that the heroes of this piece are a group of sexually frustrated nuns with lots of laundry that needs doing.
I bought that movie for my girlfriend recently.
What, The Magdalene Laundries or Taken?
The Magdalene Sisters.
Ah, the Magdalene laundries. Havens for vulnerable women, according to Ruhama, the Irish abolitionist NGO:
“Ruhama was founded as a joint initiative of the Good Shepherd Sisters and Our Lady of Charity Sisters, both of which had a long history of involvement with marginalised women, including those involved in prostitution.”
(The “long history of involvement with marginalised women” the orders have is the set up and running of the laundries – as Maggie’s written before.)
Funny – Ruhama was established in 1989. The last Magdalene laundry didn’t close until September 25, 1996.
As the zeitgesit evolves, the fundies change tact.
They were against choices for women then, and they’re against them now. Only now, they’ve tacked on some female supremacists masquerading as ‘feminists’.
I always appreciate it when a woman like you, with intimate knowledge of sex work will take on these kind of issues. As a man, it is considered automatically disqualifying if you actually know what you are talking about. This is especially true because most men with knowledge of sex work are either customers or managers (some are prostitutes themselves of course, but I haven’t ever seen a male prostitutes in these kinds of discussions. I suspect it’s because they post on blogs that are more related to their specific lifestyle.).
Of course, if you are a customer, the you get attacked as being a predatory monster and if you are a manager, you are a predatory monster “pimp” (even if your “predation” means dealing with your girl’s problems while she is in jail on some bogus charges…). So, the only men who can “safely” chime in on this kind of subject are intellectual libertarians who believe in principal that sex work should be decriminalized but who have no first hand knowledge. Men like that, of course, are dismissed as ivory tower intellectuals and defacto predators anyway (being born with male genitals makes you considered a predator in these situations).
Oh, I left out husbands/boyfriends of prostitutes here, but if they don’t object to the work their partners are doing, they end up falling into the “pimp” construction as well.
I suppose a gay intellectual libertarian could escape the predator label, but would still have the ivory tower intellectual thing to deal with.
Maggie your Twitter comments with Stella is just another example of why I like reading your columns. You argue with logic and actual experience about the subject and not with emotional rants and ignorance like Stella does.
Keep it up!
I absolutely despise arguments where a “dynamic personality” matters. Unfortunately that is most of them. So… decisions get made based on personality rather than facts.
If I was an employer, I would fire most of those dynamic personality types and keep the ones that actually use data.
What about those like me, who actually use data but present it dynamically?
The dynamic part should in no way outweigh the data. If it did, I would fire you.
Those “dynamic ” personalities are exactly the ones prohibiting prostitution and drugs and many other things based on their philosophy.
The fact that a hammer can be used to crack heads rather than drive nails doesn’t make the hammer evil. Evil proceeds from human morality, not from a particular thing or technique. And I tell you this: far more evil in this world proceeds from those too weak to stand up to others than from the few strong enough to dominate them for good or ill.
I agree with your last sentence. I was speaking more from a manufacturing type environment. I have seen dynamic personality types destroy a company and I have seen them make a company (Steve Jobs). I bet Bernie Madoff has a pretty dynamic personality.
I guess I treat these types of people like dynamite, useful if you want to blow a hole in something but still dangerous on a daily basis.
I’m not trying to pick on you Maggie. Just think about it, YOU are like dynamite blowing a hole in the current prohibitionist dogma. This is exactly where you belong and should be. However there are jobs where you would make things worse. You are probably smart enough that you would never consider such a job as you wouldn’t be happy there anyway.
No offense taken; I know quite well that I don’t do well in jobs that require me to submit meekly to other people’s arbitrary rules. It’s one of the reasons I did so well in escorting.
I am very good at submitting meekly to other people’s arbitrary rules… but now is not the time for flirting. 😉
It’s NOT the “dynamic” person’s fault that the “non-dynamic” people in the meeting give them so much credit.
Firing the “dynamic” isn’t going to make up for the weakness and inability of the others to recognize snake oil when they see it.
Some people are too dynamic and dominate others to the detriment of the goal. The less dynamic people might also have a good idea but if you let the dynamic person dominate you will never get the benefit of their thoughts.
Yeah, some people have no spine at all and just go along (I have seen this a lot on jury duty). I guess I would fire both extremes.
It’s not a problem if the dynamic 5% is dominating the spineless 25%. It’s when the dynamic types take over the whole thing that it’s a problem. A good boss will use that dynamic person and then shut them down at the right time.
“But since I refuse to take anything on faith or to accept arguments from authority…”
Under what context? It is one thing to make an assertion based upon somehting expert xyz supposedly said and not provide a link or other info. It is something else entirely if expert xyz can be shown to have made the statement in a reputable peer reviewed journal..although I suppose you can say at that point you are arguing quantifiable research at that point.
But that’s the exact point; they never provide links to reputable research, just trash like Farley’s bought-and-paid-for, non-peer-reviewed, methodology-free “studies”. That, and statements like “I trust Polaris Project over a bunch of pimps” or “Sweden is the most civilized country in the world”.
“But that’s the exact point; they never provide links to reputable research, just trash like Farley’s bought-and-paid-for, non-peer-reviewed, methodology-free “studies”.”
Wow. I don’t know if that can fly in sociology (I doubt it), but it sure as hell won’t fly in geology. If someone is going to make a claim, they have to really back it up with documentation and applicable field work. I have sweated out Q&A sessions with my professors after giving a presentation…and saying “because I said so!” would have been a quick ticket out of the class (and the department, for that matter…).
If Farley engages in academic fraud or passes off fraudulent work from others, then sunlight is the best disinfectant as they say. Go git ’em! 🙂
You can read more from Dr. Callum Bennachie, and follow the link to the full complaint he submitted to the American Psychology Association about Melissa Farely at the following link:
http://cybersolidaires.typepad.com/ameriques/2011/09/a-complaint-against-melissa-farley.html
Incidentally, it doesn’t fly in sociology. Unfortunately, the specific issue of prostitution is often hijacked by female supremacists and abolitionist lobby groups, which spread these few inaccurate, agenda-driven ‘statistics’ as gospel, and aim to alter the zeitgeist through manipulation, misdirection, and emotionally-charged appeals to the good natures of the ignorant. This strategy, unfortunately, works in a lot of cases. For a time.
I once witnessed a grown woman burst into tears and run from a room, so affected was she by the plight of ‘prostituted women’. What had happened just before this? I countered her loud proclamation that all prostitutes are downtrodden victims who are, quote, ‘turning themselves into public toilets’, with the assertion that the handful of RL friends I have who are whores are perfectly healthy, assertive and satisfied in their work – which they do by choice.
It was apparently too much.
I wrote about & synopsized Dr. Bennachie’s complaint in “The Pigeons Come Home“, and the complaint is stored in PDF form in my resources section.
“So, the only men who can “safely” chime in on this kind of subject are intellectual libertarians who believe in principal that sex work should be decriminalized but who have no first hand knowledge.”
I suggest the last sentence be rephrased to “who cannot admit to any first hand knowledge.”
😉
“she claimed I was making her feel “threatened” because I was a madam”
Those strong, tough, powerful feminists!
Maggie – Seems like a lot of intellectual energy being expended on some very insignificant targets. Sort of like firing cruise missiles in Afghanistan, nothing you can hit is worth the price of the missile.
That’s a GOOD point. I was thinking this myself. Seems that it’s like playing “whack-a-mole” the moment you smack down one – another pops up.
You never reach the “end” of the idiots on the internet. I’m wondering if it’s even worth trying – how significant is the internet really to politics and law? I don’t think it’s very significant.
Now, people like Stella Marr are a bit different – because she has kind of been singled out as a poster child for the trafficking skeermeisters. But for your average tom, dick, and harry out there posting – who’s really listening?
You never reach the “end” of the idiots on the internet. I’m wondering if it’s even worth trying – how significant is the internet really to politics and law? I don’t think it’s very significant.
Certainly there are governments that are sufficiently worried about the potential of the internet to seek control over it; and for good reason too. If every dissident can convince just one new person every year, then dissent doubles every year (assuming the death rates of dissidents and the supporters of the status quo are similar).
And Maggie is definitely having an impact, otherwise the prohibitionists would not bother with their attacks.
Most governments are fearful of any free speech. I tend to think that the internet is the LEAST harmful to governments since there is so much entrophy inherit in the web experience.
It’s also so EASY to monitor. As soon as governments realize that – they’ll open the doors to the web everywhere.
A guy typing on the internet is a guy who isn’t in the street causing problems for government.
That’s what I tend to think about the internet. LOL – as a guy who writes a lot on the internet!! 😛
I would’ve agreed with you at that moment, but the exchange increased my following on Twitter by almost 10%…which was worth two hours on an otherwise quiet afternoon.
Hi Maggie,
I presume your readers will see this…but just in case.
http://www.alternet.org/sex/155994/do_you_look_like_a_prostitute_%28whatever_that_means%29%3A_it_might_mean_no_taxi_cabs/
They’ll also see it in tomorrow’s column. 😉
That is just un-freaking-believable…..how is a cab driver supposed to know if a woman is a prostitute or not? It is totally ludicrous.
Same way as the cops do, matey. He makes it up. 😎
“Because of these factors it’s very, very difficult to win an argument with me; I have a tendency to steamroll anyone who tries.”
I have only known one woman who can hold her own in an argument with me. I sure would be interested in taking you on in this area. I have met plenty of men who can give me a good run for my money…and a few that have it all over me when it comes to my stupidity with women.
Maggie,
its not just women and sex trafficking. Check out this idiot who did a “drive by” on my forums to leap to the defense of a man hating woman.
http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums2/tabid/369/forumid/193/threadid/3207/scope/posts/Default.aspx
Carl “Bear” Bussjaeger
Author: Net Assets, Bargaining Position,
The Anarchy Belt, and more
http://www.bussjaeger.org/
http://carlbussjaeger.blogspot.com/
I despise men like this. I would really like him to be taken out and SHOT.
“Yes, I DO know better than cops & politicians IN MY OWN FIELD. Drs know better than them in medicine, engineers know better than them in engineering, teachers know better than them in teaching, etc. Cops and politicians are not gods, nor even superior beings.”
It’s worrying how many people forget this.
Also wow @ Stella – do keep us posted should the shit hit the fan. Got my bets on that she’s just another internet celebrity – probable headcase and all round bad ‘un. Stay frosty, and stay safe.
Wow, I am seriously impressed with this post. I have often taken intellectual strips off those who feel their behavior is righteous and warranted. Thank you for being another voice for sanity <3
Oh man, I missed a Twitter Tussle? I need to spend more time on there. This should get interesting but heaven help her if she goes after you (an outing) or Norma Jean.
I don’t start arguments, but by Athena I sure finish them. This is the most important reason I refused to get involved with any man after Jack until I could be sure he was A) uninterested in starting arguments; and B) could hold his own against me if one started despite our best efforts. Dr. Helena once asked me what kind of man I wanted, and I replied, “One who can say ‘SHUT UP, MAGGIE!’ if necessary, and make it stick.”
Ha! Again, our personalities converge.
http://www.stellamarr.com/
“Stella Marr was a prostitute and call girl for almost ten years. Then one of her clients, a Cambridge Professor, gave her a grand piano and a beautiful condominium across from Lincoln Center. He “kept” her for two years”
Gee. I wish someone would “traffick” me and give me a place to live as a kept man….I would like to be “victimised” like that. Would make a nice change from having my children kidnapped, house stolen and business destroyed.
Maggie,
just as an aside….the “argument technique” of that woman is exactly what i have experienced from western women in spades these last 4 years. It is like talking to tape recorder. The same rubbish comes out no matter which woman you talk to.
The amazing thing is I NEVER have the same conversation with women in Germany. They simply do not talk like that. If you say you were a victim of a crime they take you seriously.
I am doing an internet radio show at 7pm central time sun, tues, thurs for young men who aer finding that they are alienated from women because 80% of women are chasing 20% of guys in the US and other places. Many of these young men have never had a date let alone had sex. They are anlienated. Many are quite angry at their situation.
One of the things I tell them is that women in the west are NOT like women in eastern europe in many ways and that making plans to leave the english speaking world and move to places like the Ukraine is a good idea.
We also tell them about how western women use such “arguments” as you point out and use shaming language and put downs to demean men. We tell them this is “the new normal” in the west. This helps the lads understand that it is not them that is the problem. That they are perfectly normal. That they are being betrayed by their women folk. A lot of the guys are very thankful that we are spending so much time giving this information.
It sure is a shame there are not more women like you pointing out to women how they lack any decent argument capability and can not make their cases apart from repeat their mantras. Us men are quite sick and tired of the rubbish that we have to put up with.
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There is somebody who knows more about prostitution in the Netherlands than you, Maggie: a Dutch prostitute. But of course you know that and wouldn’t have claimed otherwise. If people would be more careful what they say to you, they wouldn’t have to face your “steamroller” mode.
People, Maggie and I have disagreed on several occasions, and let’s just say that our arguments haven’t improved my win/loss ratio. 😉 This despite the fact that she undoubtedly takes it easier on me than some of the yahoos out there. I’m sure she does because, while I sometimes (make that oftentimes) have to admit to being wrong, I generally don’t leave the discussion feeling stupid. This might have something to do with the fact that I don’t try to win with insults or ‘I’m right because I say so.’ So that’s my advice for surviving (not necessarily winning) an argument with Maggie: treat her with a little respect.